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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jemal" data-source="post: 4194537" data-attributes="member: 9026">Dude, there's no point in taking something like this personally.  If you've allready spoken to the DM seperately and he's ok'd it, maybe you should've stated that earlier, I just hadn't seen such a statement in the thread.As Epic games are a lot of work for the players, they're even MORE so for the DM, he has to look at and keep track of a lot of things, thus the other players in the game will usually step in and point out any inconsistancies they see, which is precisely what I did.  I still don't understand where you're getting the template part from, as it's a Race in both Savage Species and Races of Destiny, and the DM had stated he's only allowing hardcover sources (Cystalkeep references Dragon Magazine #313, which is the only other version of half-ogre i'm aware of, but I don't have access to the mag, and it isn't hardcover), But all that is moot if the DM's allready said OK, so like I said earlier, why wouldn't you just have told us 'he said it's ok' instead of getting ticked off?</blockquote>