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<blockquote data-quote="smakko" data-source="post: 5424008" data-attributes="member: 87491"><p>Is there a way to counter an epic spell other than using the Epic Spell named "<a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/spells/epicCounterspell.htm" target="_blank">Epic Counterspell</a>"? It's a pretty high Spellcraft DC (69, dude), so until a PC can actually achieve this Spellcraft check are they unable to counter an epic spell? </p><p> </p><p>I guess they could develop a custom Epic Counterspell that has a smaller bonus (the vanilla epic counterspell has a bonus of d20+40) in order to bring down the DC and add in any other mitigating factors. </p><p> </p><p>However, in the description of <a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/spellsIntro.htm#whatAreEpicSpells" target="_blank">Epic Spell Levels </a>it states:</p><p><strong>Epic Spell Levels</strong></p><p> </p><p>Epic spells have no fixed level. Howev<span style="color: white">er, for purposes of Concentration checks, spell resistance, </span>and other possible situations where spell level is important, epic spells are all treated as if they were 10th-level spells. </p><p> </p><p>Given this definition, and the fact that spell level is important for counterspelling (especially when a PC has the<a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/feats.htm#improvedCounterspell" target="_blank"> Improved Counterspell </a>feat) they are treated as 10th level since Epic Spells are associated with specific schools of magic.</p><p> </p><p>Any thoughts?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="smakko, post: 5424008, member: 87491"] Is there a way to counter an epic spell other than using the Epic Spell named "[URL="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/spells/epicCounterspell.htm"]Epic Counterspell[/URL]"? It's a pretty high Spellcraft DC (69, dude), so until a PC can actually achieve this Spellcraft check are they unable to counter an epic spell? I guess they could develop a custom Epic Counterspell that has a smaller bonus (the vanilla epic counterspell has a bonus of d20+40) in order to bring down the DC and add in any other mitigating factors. However, in the description of [URL="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/spellsIntro.htm#whatAreEpicSpells"]Epic Spell Levels [/URL]it states: [B]Epic Spell Levels[/B] Epic spells have no fixed level. Howev[COLOR=white]er, for purposes of Concentration checks, spell resistance, [/COLOR]and other possible situations where spell level is important, epic spells are all treated as if they were 10th-level spells. Given this definition, and the fact that spell level is important for counterspelling (especially when a PC has the[URL="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/feats.htm#improvedCounterspell"] Improved Counterspell [/URL]feat) they are treated as 10th level since Epic Spells are associated with specific schools of magic. Any thoughts? [/QUOTE]
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