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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Wrahn" data-source="post: 2891121" data-attributes="member: 9191">-you can't have a shield and the monk AC bonus at the same time.Doh!  Teach me to add things on a lark.-your attack rating is pretty poor... You will note the excessive number of quickened truestrikes he has memorized (not that there is much to do about a low BAB from a pure arcane spell caster anyway)-just so we're clear, here's the ruling on multiple metamagic: it all follows the precedent of Empower + Maximize.  Namely, multiple metamagics do not affect each other.  A Twinned Maximized Fireball gets you a 10*6 fireball and a 10d6 fireball.  Metamagics that alter duration (Extend, Persistent) or range/area (Enlarge, Widen) are exceptions.This is both good and bad news to me.  I was seriously considering changing characters because this one did too much damage (I am serious, 1860 hp a round on average was probably beyond the pale, even assuming they only took half of that from making all the DC 30 saves)But that is a serious bite into the damage (from 465 on average to 182.5 on average for the Double Enhanced Maximize Empowered Twinned Fireball)  My have to change strategies.While we are on the subject, are you okay with Avasculate (from Libris Mortis)?  Halving a monsters HP with no save seems kind of obnoxious. (Even though it is only living creatures and does require a ranged touch attack)-Swap out Empower.  Use a rod.  This gets you an extra feat to play around with... if you use it to get, say, Arcane Disciple (War), you can have Persistent Divine Power.  Or maybe Split Ray.  Or, if you get Cleric too, Divine Metamagic (Quicken).  Great synergy with Improved Metamagic, that.All those are interesting suggestions, but...Lorgrane uses empower too much to consider a rodLorgrane doesn't have a patron diety, if he did it would be the Perfect whom I am assuming is N, which is not the same alignment as Lorgrane so he does not qualify for Arcane DiscipleThe use of rays requires an attack roll, and as you have already noted, to hit rolls and Lorgrane aren't exactly friends, so split ray is probably not an optimal feat.  Talk about the cleric below-Do you really need that second Multispell?  I'd go for Permanent Emanation, Extra Magic Item Space (Amulet), or maybe Spell Stowaway (Time Stop).Permanent Emanation can be duplicated (somewhat) by Persistant spell.  I am happy with my magic item space and being trapped alone in a "time bubble" with something that just cast Time stop doesn't sound like all that much fun (Though obviously it doesn't necessarily work that way, if you have ever played Baldur's Gate II: The Throne of Baal all the way to the end, you know what I am talking about)Reducing one of the spells Lorgrane can throw a round reduces his offense by a quarter and after the non-stacking metamagic ruling above, I am less inclined to do that, unless you are asking me to, in which case I can play around with something.-You only need Wizard 5 to qualify for Loremaster.  The other two levels are kind of a waste...  I'm sure you could squeeze in a second base class or some low-req PrC.Problem with Presitige Classes is that they usually require feats to get in and Lorgrane is pretty tight from the feat selection stand point now.  I had considered taking levels of Mage of the Arcane Order, but frankly, it did not give me that much (cooperative spell, Spellpool I) plus, it probably didn't make sense from a roleplaying standpoint either.  (Having just been "born" and having membership in the Arcane order)If you are talking base class, well there isn't much out there that helps him too much, certainly in terms of losing 2 caster levels.  Two levels is not enough, at this point, to add anything significant to his versatility.  Taking levels of Cleric (to get the domain abilities and turn attempts) has some appeal, but to take advantage of turn attempts would require another feat and that would hurt.  (Empower, Maximize, Quicken, Twin, any of the epic feats, Persistant (which gets 2 since I would lose Extend) are the ones I could lose, all of which are as useful as Divine Metamagic when coupled with improved metamagic)</blockquote>

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