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<blockquote data-quote="Mad Gulag" data-source="post: 481737" data-attributes="member: 6605">If you are in defensive stance you can't move, so the main problem is that you can't reach the other opponents.When you have dispatched of those around you( by cleaving) you can't move to the next group of enemies (the drawback of defensive stance).It is a better concept&nbsp; to stop the enemies of running past you by using feats like combat reflexes, improved trip and knockdown.Cleave is a great feat, but considering a dwarfen defenders non existent maneuverability (only while in def stance) its only worth consideration if you1. use a reach weapon2. only fight in small corridors, or3. you somehow manage to lure the enemies to youIMO the main purpose of the dwarven defender is to stop the &quot;tough guys&quot; and buy your comrades enough time to kill of the weaker opponents (or flee).It's not your job to deal an ingredible amount of damage, it's your job to take an ingredible amount of damage.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mad Gulag, post: 481737, member: 6605"] If you are in defensive stance you can't move, so the main problem is that you can't reach the other opponents. When you have dispatched of those around you( by cleaving) you can't move to the next group of enemies (the drawback of defensive stance). It is a better concept to stop the enemies of running past you by using feats like combat reflexes, improved trip and knockdown. Cleave is a great feat, but considering a dwarfen defenders non existent maneuverability (only while in def stance) its only worth consideration if you 1. use a reach weapon 2. only fight in small corridors, or 3. you somehow manage to lure the enemies to you IMO the main purpose of the dwarven defender is to stop the "tough guys" and buy your comrades enough time to kill of the weaker opponents (or flee). It's not your job to deal an ingredible amount of damage, it's your job to take an ingredible amount of damage. [/QUOTE]

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