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<blockquote data-quote="drnuncheon" data-source="post: 334737" data-attributes="member: 96"><p>Sure - using his every-third-level character feat. Nobody is advocating changing the way the character level feats work.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That's what I'm disagreeing with. The fighter's bonus feats are a class ability, like the monk's flurry of blows, deflect arrows, or unarmed strike. The Wiz20/Mnk1 doesn't get epic-level class abilities for taking 1 level of monk. Why should the Wiz20/Ftr1 get epic-level class abilities from taking 1 level of fighter?</p><p></p><p>To put it another way...if you had 2 characters at 20th level - a Barbarian and a Fighter - and each took a level of the other class...</p><p></p><p>* The fighter would get the abilities of a <strong>1st</strong> level barbarian: rage, etc. He can't even get the epic Rage feats, because they all need the Greater Rage or Rage 5/day class feature.</p><p></p><p>* The barbarian gets the benefits of being a <strong>21st</strong> level fighter (with the exception of weapon specialization): he can pick any of the fighter epic feats with his fighter bonus feats.</p><p></p><p>Don't you think that's a bit unfair to the fighter? He had to go through 20 levels to get to the point where he could get the fighter epic feats, and along comes the barbarian who can get them after 1 level in fighter.</p><p></p><p>Now compare with multiclassing to cleric or wizard - oooo, first level spells! I think that if you allow a person with 1 fighter level to get all the benefits of an epic fighter, you are taking away one of the only specialties the epic fighter has (a metric boatload of epic feats), as well as making the combination of Otherclass20/Ftr1 far more attractive than any other.</p><p></p><p>Every other class has to go through a significant number of levels before they get access to that classes epic-level feats. You need 15-16 levels of barbarian to get the epic Rage feats. You need 18 levels of druid to get to mostof the wildshape feats. You need 17-18 levels of a spellcasting class to get to Improved Spellcasting or Epic Spellcasting. It's not fair to the fighter to give away his special epic abilities to someone with only one level in the class.</p><p></p><p>J</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="drnuncheon, post: 334737, member: 96"] Sure - using his every-third-level character feat. Nobody is advocating changing the way the character level feats work. That's what I'm disagreeing with. The fighter's bonus feats are a class ability, like the monk's flurry of blows, deflect arrows, or unarmed strike. The Wiz20/Mnk1 doesn't get epic-level class abilities for taking 1 level of monk. Why should the Wiz20/Ftr1 get epic-level class abilities from taking 1 level of fighter? To put it another way...if you had 2 characters at 20th level - a Barbarian and a Fighter - and each took a level of the other class... * The fighter would get the abilities of a [b]1st[/b] level barbarian: rage, etc. He can't even get the epic Rage feats, because they all need the Greater Rage or Rage 5/day class feature. * The barbarian gets the benefits of being a [b]21st[/b] level fighter (with the exception of weapon specialization): he can pick any of the fighter epic feats with his fighter bonus feats. Don't you think that's a bit unfair to the fighter? He had to go through 20 levels to get to the point where he could get the fighter epic feats, and along comes the barbarian who can get them after 1 level in fighter. Now compare with multiclassing to cleric or wizard - oooo, first level spells! I think that if you allow a person with 1 fighter level to get all the benefits of an epic fighter, you are taking away one of the only specialties the epic fighter has (a metric boatload of epic feats), as well as making the combination of Otherclass20/Ftr1 far more attractive than any other. Every other class has to go through a significant number of levels before they get access to that classes epic-level feats. You need 15-16 levels of barbarian to get the epic Rage feats. You need 18 levels of druid to get to mostof the wildshape feats. You need 17-18 levels of a spellcasting class to get to Improved Spellcasting or Epic Spellcasting. It's not fair to the fighter to give away his special epic abilities to someone with only one level in the class. J [/QUOTE]
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