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<blockquote data-quote="drnuncheon" data-source="post: 338686" data-attributes="member: 96"><p>Sure. But there was a cost to pay when you could only hit 20th level - you were losing the higher level abilities of both classes. (And Fighter isn't the only one - any class with bonus feats demonstrates it to some extent, as Crothian pointed out.)</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Rage duration is not affected by level. The number of times you can rage per day is, but you'll notice I mentioned that (and with Extra Rage, dealt with it). None of the rage feats require anything other than the ability to rage 5/day (Brb 16) or Greater Rage (Brb15).</p><p></p><p>As for skills, let's be honest - nobody plays the barbarian because they're a skill monster - a ranger or a rogue would both be better for that purpose. The following skills are on the barbarian list that aren't on the fighter list: Intimidate, Intuit Direction, Listen, Wilderness Lore. "Oh, no! My 24 ranks of Intuit Direction may not be enough to let me find north!" I guess if those four skills were the ones that you'd been pumping since first level, it might not be worth while, but if you're like most barbarians, you've probably been dropping quite a few ranks into Climb, Jump, and maybe Ride - all class skills for the fighter. And once you've got 25 or so ranks in a skill, there's not many normal situations you can't handle.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That depends on what they're going after. An Epic Cleric who engaged in a lot of combat might find a couple of levels of Epic Fighter very attractive. Fighter/Rogue is a very powerful multiclass, and it'd be even more powerful as EpicFtr/Rog. Wizards and sorcerers, less so, it's true (although if they were already MCed as Ftr/Wiz they're suddenly getting it all over the Rog/Wiz or Rng/Wiz - "Hey, I get Epic stuff now and you have to wait for 15 more levels, ha ha!")</p><p></p><p>The ELH rewards sticking with a path - whether that be a single class or a PrC. Allowing fighters to take Epic feats with their bonus feat does not.</p><p></p><p>J</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="drnuncheon, post: 338686, member: 96"] Sure. But there was a cost to pay when you could only hit 20th level - you were losing the higher level abilities of both classes. (And Fighter isn't the only one - any class with bonus feats demonstrates it to some extent, as Crothian pointed out.) Rage duration is not affected by level. The number of times you can rage per day is, but you'll notice I mentioned that (and with Extra Rage, dealt with it). None of the rage feats require anything other than the ability to rage 5/day (Brb 16) or Greater Rage (Brb15). As for skills, let's be honest - nobody plays the barbarian because they're a skill monster - a ranger or a rogue would both be better for that purpose. The following skills are on the barbarian list that aren't on the fighter list: Intimidate, Intuit Direction, Listen, Wilderness Lore. "Oh, no! My 24 ranks of Intuit Direction may not be enough to let me find north!" I guess if those four skills were the ones that you'd been pumping since first level, it might not be worth while, but if you're like most barbarians, you've probably been dropping quite a few ranks into Climb, Jump, and maybe Ride - all class skills for the fighter. And once you've got 25 or so ranks in a skill, there's not many normal situations you can't handle. That depends on what they're going after. An Epic Cleric who engaged in a lot of combat might find a couple of levels of Epic Fighter very attractive. Fighter/Rogue is a very powerful multiclass, and it'd be even more powerful as EpicFtr/Rog. Wizards and sorcerers, less so, it's true (although if they were already MCed as Ftr/Wiz they're suddenly getting it all over the Rog/Wiz or Rng/Wiz - "Hey, I get Epic stuff now and you have to wait for 15 more levels, ha ha!") The ELH rewards sticking with a path - whether that be a single class or a PrC. Allowing fighters to take Epic feats with their bonus feat does not. J [/QUOTE]
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