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<blockquote data-quote="Scion of Vyshaan" data-source="post: 933782" data-attributes="member: 12120"><p>I think part of the problem is the wording of the highlighted text:</p><p>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------</p><p>Whenever an epic character is allowed to pick up a feat as part of level advancement, he can choose either a nonepic feat or an epic feat (see table 1-2: Experience and LEvel-Dependent Benefits). All class descriptions provide a list of bonus feats that characters must choose form. When you have to choose from a list of bonus feats in your second class, you can also choose from the bonus epic feats described for each specific class below.</p><p>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------</p><p></p><p>The subject of the sentance in question is "all class descriptions." Clearly, this has caused some confusion, even among the designers themselves. However, Mr. Collins does not contradict this passage, as it can be taken to mean "all class descriptions in the Epic Level Handbook." If this is the case (and any arguments of mechanics or interpretation aside, this is a possible meaning of the words) then the sentance's meaning is "all charaters that receive bonus epic feats for class progression must choose from the list of bonus epic feats in that class's epic level description." </p><p></p><p>The second sentance would then be a second, independent thought refering to classes with a bonus feat progression and a list of bonus feats. To be specific, if a character gains a level in a class that would normally recieve a feat (i.e. a 22 level fighter, or a Prestige Class with a set feat progression), they could recieve either a normal feat, or an Epic Feat once they progress beyond the listed level progression of the class. For example, if I were progressing the Divine Champion from the FRCS (assuming I could progess in a 5 level Prestige Class), I would gain one Feat every other level. These bonus feats could be taken from the Fighter bonus feat list (as they normally would) or since this is an Epic Progression of the class, they could take epic feats off of the Epic Fighter's bonus feat list. </p><p></p><p>Again, this is merely one way to read the sentances. The other interpretation is also correct, at least from a perspective of grammar. I would be inclined to agree with Mr. Collins, and the interpretation he gave of what I assume to be his own writing. However, the assertion that Mr. Collins' answer and the FAQ are "changing" the rules is not completely fair: instead, they are clarifying an uncertain point of grammar.</p><p></p><p>With all that said, Pax, when I first read the ELH, I interpretted the sentance the same way you did.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Scion of Vyshaan, post: 933782, member: 12120"] I think part of the problem is the wording of the highlighted text: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Whenever an epic character is allowed to pick up a feat as part of level advancement, he can choose either a nonepic feat or an epic feat (see table 1-2: Experience and LEvel-Dependent Benefits). All class descriptions provide a list of bonus feats that characters must choose form. When you have to choose from a list of bonus feats in your second class, you can also choose from the bonus epic feats described for each specific class below. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The subject of the sentance in question is "all class descriptions." Clearly, this has caused some confusion, even among the designers themselves. However, Mr. Collins does not contradict this passage, as it can be taken to mean "all class descriptions in the Epic Level Handbook." If this is the case (and any arguments of mechanics or interpretation aside, this is a possible meaning of the words) then the sentance's meaning is "all charaters that receive bonus epic feats for class progression must choose from the list of bonus epic feats in that class's epic level description." The second sentance would then be a second, independent thought refering to classes with a bonus feat progression and a list of bonus feats. To be specific, if a character gains a level in a class that would normally recieve a feat (i.e. a 22 level fighter, or a Prestige Class with a set feat progression), they could recieve either a normal feat, or an Epic Feat once they progress beyond the listed level progression of the class. For example, if I were progressing the Divine Champion from the FRCS (assuming I could progess in a 5 level Prestige Class), I would gain one Feat every other level. These bonus feats could be taken from the Fighter bonus feat list (as they normally would) or since this is an Epic Progression of the class, they could take epic feats off of the Epic Fighter's bonus feat list. Again, this is merely one way to read the sentances. The other interpretation is also correct, at least from a perspective of grammar. I would be inclined to agree with Mr. Collins, and the interpretation he gave of what I assume to be his own writing. However, the assertion that Mr. Collins' answer and the FAQ are "changing" the rules is not completely fair: instead, they are clarifying an uncertain point of grammar. With all that said, Pax, when I first read the ELH, I interpretted the sentance the same way you did. [/QUOTE]
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