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<blockquote data-quote="lkj" data-source="post: 2215532" data-attributes="member: 18646"><p>In the sense that it makes it less lonely in here, yes. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> </p><p></p><p>I suppose I could re-address the question this way: The main thing I'm trying to figure out is what to do with the spellcasting progression. Before epic levels they get a Mystic Theurge like progression (one additional caster level for arcane and one additional caster level for a divine for each level). WoTC in their update booklet basically remove this advantage for Mystic Theurge in epic levels (get increase in divine and arcane at alternate levels).</p><p> Does the Lyrist deserve the same treatment? Presumably the class was designed as a merge of Bard and Druid (although it doesn't have to be, you would need to take junk levels in Bard to qualify regardless). I assume that the developers thought that continuing the Mystic Theurge pattern into epic levels was far too advantageous-- gaining cleric and wizard spell levels every level. Maybe they were right. But it seems to me that a bard and druid combo isn't as 'dangerous' at epic levels, especially given the relatively less potent bard spellcasting abilities. But I'm not sure.</p><p> Anyone have an opinion?</p><p> After that I guess I wonder what the bonus feat progression should be. But I figure I can manage that one by looking at the bard and druid progressions.</p><p></p><p>AD</p><p></p><p>PS: I realize that there are people who think that the WoTC epic progression for the MT makes it completely unworthwhile to take (and they are probably right). For this particular thread, I don't care about that. I'd like to stay focused on the FL.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="lkj, post: 2215532, member: 18646"] In the sense that it makes it less lonely in here, yes. :) I suppose I could re-address the question this way: The main thing I'm trying to figure out is what to do with the spellcasting progression. Before epic levels they get a Mystic Theurge like progression (one additional caster level for arcane and one additional caster level for a divine for each level). WoTC in their update booklet basically remove this advantage for Mystic Theurge in epic levels (get increase in divine and arcane at alternate levels). Does the Lyrist deserve the same treatment? Presumably the class was designed as a merge of Bard and Druid (although it doesn't have to be, you would need to take junk levels in Bard to qualify regardless). I assume that the developers thought that continuing the Mystic Theurge pattern into epic levels was far too advantageous-- gaining cleric and wizard spell levels every level. Maybe they were right. But it seems to me that a bard and druid combo isn't as 'dangerous' at epic levels, especially given the relatively less potent bard spellcasting abilities. But I'm not sure. Anyone have an opinion? After that I guess I wonder what the bonus feat progression should be. But I figure I can manage that one by looking at the bard and druid progressions. AD PS: I realize that there are people who think that the WoTC epic progression for the MT makes it completely unworthwhile to take (and they are probably right). For this particular thread, I don't care about that. I'd like to stay focused on the FL. [/QUOTE]
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