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Message: <blockquote data-quote="da chicken" data-source="post: 309583" data-attributes="member: 5634">And we know that a +6 enhancment to an ability is not epic. Isn't that what I just said?  Why are you still arguing?  What do you still not understand?I didn't read all of KaeYoss's post.  The first part was talking about weapon enhancments and the second part is about HEL Pit Fiend's epic spell.  I didn't think those were relevant, so I skipped most of the third part that was relevant.Note he also stated, "Unlike with weapon bonuses, I don't mind having non-epic effects increase your ability scores by more than 6, as it is already possible."  That statement is in line with my [poorly worded] argument.That was a tangent argument from the issue I thought you brought up.  I apologise for it's ambiguous nature as well, if you think it is necessary. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f644.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Roll eyes    :rolleyes:"  data-smilie="11"data-shortname=":rolleyes:" />Because it wasn't obvious to me what you were arguing about.  I (foolishly, apparently) thought that because the topic of the thread was Epic Greater Magic Weapon that it would be assumed i was talking about weapon enhancments.I think that's a reasonable assumption, and I don't understand why you are so adamantly opposed to saying "oh, I misunderstood."Because the topic wasn't everything!!!  Withing the context of the thread, it is a perfectly reasonable statement.  Do I have to say we're talking about 3E D&D, too?  No, that's the general topic.  I said the statement shouldn't be interpreted as a blanket statement.  Why do you continue to argue that it should?<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused    :confused:"  data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" />  Huh?  Belt of giant strength +6?  That's core.  I certainly hope you're using the core books.  Shoot, even the headband of perfection (+6 Str, +6 Dex, +6 Wis) is non-epic.But... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused    :confused:"  data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" /> the topic was about weapons enhancments.  Your argument was off topic....  That's why it didn't matter to my argument (or me) because your argument had nothing to do with mine.No, you misinterpreted my original post.  You seem to think that is patently impossible.  I agree it was poorly worded, but try to look at it from my side:Me: +6 weapon enhancments should be kept epic.You: But you can get epic ability enhancements non-epic.Me: So?Sure, fine, you win. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f644.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Roll eyes    :rolleyes:"  data-smilie="11"data-shortname=":rolleyes:" /> You can have epic ability bonuses from non-epic spells.  Too bad that isn't what I was talking about in my first post, despite the fact that I used ambiguous language.</blockquote>

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