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<blockquote data-quote="Nyan" data-source="post: 127670" data-attributes="member: 3948">Aren't we already there yet?I have to admit that I'm somewhat confused when people complain about not being able to fully flesh out their characters in twenty levels. I do understand that there are aberrations of a class system where you can multiclass into four different divine-casting classes and end up with an assortment of first and second level spells instead of one list of higher level spells, for example.But in terms of power level... I mean, a 17th level Cleric can cause four people to implode and then bring someone back to life even if their body is gone. And that's just his or her ninth level slots. In most systems, that's INSANELY powerful. Heal is what, fifth level? How much more can you heal someone than all the way? Especially since D&amp;D power is so often reliant on how much loot you're carrying, and so you'll probably need to scale the gear, too, but that's another flamewar. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />What kind of world is it where people are tossing off Mordenkainen's Disjunction like it's a cantrip? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f631.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":eek:" title="Eek!&nbsp; &nbsp; :eek:"&nbsp; data-smilie="9"data-shortname=":eek:" /> Isn't this what the Primal Order (also by WoTC, right?) is for?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Nyan, post: 127670, member: 3948"] [b]Aren't we already there yet?[/b] I have to admit that I'm somewhat confused when people complain about not being able to fully flesh out their characters in twenty levels. I do understand that there are aberrations of a class system where you can multiclass into four different divine-casting classes and end up with an assortment of first and second level spells instead of one list of higher level spells, for example. But in terms of power level... I mean, a 17th level Cleric can cause four people to implode and then bring someone back to life even if their body is gone. And that's just his or her ninth level slots. In most systems, that's INSANELY powerful. Heal is what, fifth level? How much more can you heal someone than all the way? Especially since D&D power is so often reliant on how much loot you're carrying, and so you'll probably need to scale the gear, too, but that's another flamewar. ;) What kind of world is it where people are tossing off Mordenkainen's Disjunction like it's a cantrip? :eek: Isn't this what the Primal Order (also by WoTC, right?) is for? [/QUOTE]

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