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<blockquote data-quote="green slime" data-source="post: 397220" data-attributes="member: 1325"><p>Incorrect, the wizard is not even limited by the number of spells in existance: He can research new spells, and at epic levels is very likely to spend some of his large wads of cash doing so Researching non-Epic spells.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The wizard CAN cast spells spontaneously; either through Innate Spell (FRCS, T&B) or Signature Spell (FRCS). Either way it costs feats.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I wasn't proposing anything, just moaning. I'm a prime moaner. My job isn't game design. I don't have time to ponder how to fix things. I just like things to be reasonably balanced so a good game can be had by all.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>BUT I have seen a question to one of the designers on this board, or WotC board concerning Specialists: the answer being: Oops. of course they should get their bonus spell. I believe it was SKR, but I couldn't garantee that. </p><p></p><p>I did no such thing as DEMAND. I stated what I see as a "fact" (it is a class ability after all): that specialists gain a spell slot of every spell level that they can cast. I then use this "fact" to point out how the sorcerer got shafted. If you interpret the rules some other way, more power to you.</p><p></p><p>Writing a rules supplement, should one not be specific in saying, that the sole advantage a Specialist had for 20 levels, is no longer valid? Does this mean my 21st level specialist can cast spells of the forbidden schools, provided they are metamagicked above 9th level? (Of course not, he can't learn them...)</p><p></p><p>Can he cast epic spells that are based on spells of a forbidden school? IMC, that isn't going to happen.</p><p></p><p>So you don't shaft the sorcerer, you shaft the specialist...</p><p></p><p>The dilemma is not easily solved; but that is why I pay MONEY to a company that hypes its product as solving those kind of issues, only to find it hasn't been proof-read. </p><p></p><p>Luckily the campaign I DM just hit 7th level, so I have time to sort this stuff out and let my players know how the "rules" and "facts" are interpreted in our game.</p><p></p><p>James McMurray:</p><p></p><p>I almost agree with you. The problem being the amount of other stuff that is incorrect, that I don't trust that which is printed there. That is, what with the contradictory errors in the Epic Spellcasting section, how does one trust that they got Szass Tam right? </p><p></p><p>Is it possible that Szass Tam is NOT regarded as an Epic Level Specialist? Because he dabbles as an Archmage and other PrC? In other words, he hasn't reached 21st level as a specialist.</p><p></p><p>Without the ELH here at work, what exactly does the ELH say about Specialists, in the Wizard section? </p><p></p><p>A foot note:</p><p>The great Szass Tam also has an Intelligence of the average 8th-10th level PC wizard...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="green slime, post: 397220, member: 1325"] Incorrect, the wizard is not even limited by the number of spells in existance: He can research new spells, and at epic levels is very likely to spend some of his large wads of cash doing so Researching non-Epic spells. The wizard CAN cast spells spontaneously; either through Innate Spell (FRCS, T&B) or Signature Spell (FRCS). Either way it costs feats. I wasn't proposing anything, just moaning. I'm a prime moaner. My job isn't game design. I don't have time to ponder how to fix things. I just like things to be reasonably balanced so a good game can be had by all. BUT I have seen a question to one of the designers on this board, or WotC board concerning Specialists: the answer being: Oops. of course they should get their bonus spell. I believe it was SKR, but I couldn't garantee that. I did no such thing as DEMAND. I stated what I see as a "fact" (it is a class ability after all): that specialists gain a spell slot of every spell level that they can cast. I then use this "fact" to point out how the sorcerer got shafted. If you interpret the rules some other way, more power to you. Writing a rules supplement, should one not be specific in saying, that the sole advantage a Specialist had for 20 levels, is no longer valid? Does this mean my 21st level specialist can cast spells of the forbidden schools, provided they are metamagicked above 9th level? (Of course not, he can't learn them...) Can he cast epic spells that are based on spells of a forbidden school? IMC, that isn't going to happen. So you don't shaft the sorcerer, you shaft the specialist... The dilemma is not easily solved; but that is why I pay MONEY to a company that hypes its product as solving those kind of issues, only to find it hasn't been proof-read. Luckily the campaign I DM just hit 7th level, so I have time to sort this stuff out and let my players know how the "rules" and "facts" are interpreted in our game. James McMurray: I almost agree with you. The problem being the amount of other stuff that is incorrect, that I don't trust that which is printed there. That is, what with the contradictory errors in the Epic Spellcasting section, how does one trust that they got Szass Tam right? Is it possible that Szass Tam is NOT regarded as an Epic Level Specialist? Because he dabbles as an Archmage and other PrC? In other words, he hasn't reached 21st level as a specialist. Without the ELH here at work, what exactly does the ELH say about Specialists, in the Wizard section? A foot note: The great Szass Tam also has an Intelligence of the average 8th-10th level PC wizard... [/QUOTE]
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