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<blockquote data-quote="Death" data-source="post: 397254" data-attributes="member: 4541"><p>Well...</p><p>I have thought about prestige classes, but that is not it. If I had a choice I would probably go for Guild wizard of Waterdeep, which gives 3 extra spells per level to arcane caster, but it is still hard for sorcerer to fill prereq. Wizards get A LOT of skill points, because their primary stat is INT, which ads to skill point and it is really easy for a average wizard to put knowledge arcana, spellcraft and concentration to max, sorcerers have CHA for primary statistic, which is in many campaigns kind of overlooked and you get 2+int mod. skill points. Sometimes you have to sacrifice all skill points just to qualify for a prestige class, not to mention epic spell creation, where you need lots of knowledge and spellcraft. Average sorcerer has INT about 10-12 - that means 2-3 skill points per level. Beside of that, prestige classes are quite DM dependable - your DM has to put them in his campaign, or he has to allow them, which is quite a high risk. </p><p>I know, that I can simply wish a new spell, but for that, sorcerer has to take wish spell, which becomes one of the three 9 th level spells which the sorcerer gets till level 20. After that you have approximately 4 wishes for 4 spells for 1 level of advancement, which further cripples sorcerer compared to wizard. Because of that sorcerer is one level lower than wizard...</p><p>I still think, that PHB Wizard is a bit stronger than Sorcerer, but it is still balanced, but in ELH the ballance falls appart. Wizard gets spells with level, sorcerer doesnt, skills start to really count, when you want to develope new epic level spells and sorcerers are crippled again... In my opinion ELH was completly undertested!</p><p></p><p><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown :(" data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Death, post: 397254, member: 4541"] Well... I have thought about prestige classes, but that is not it. If I had a choice I would probably go for Guild wizard of Waterdeep, which gives 3 extra spells per level to arcane caster, but it is still hard for sorcerer to fill prereq. Wizards get A LOT of skill points, because their primary stat is INT, which ads to skill point and it is really easy for a average wizard to put knowledge arcana, spellcraft and concentration to max, sorcerers have CHA for primary statistic, which is in many campaigns kind of overlooked and you get 2+int mod. skill points. Sometimes you have to sacrifice all skill points just to qualify for a prestige class, not to mention epic spell creation, where you need lots of knowledge and spellcraft. Average sorcerer has INT about 10-12 - that means 2-3 skill points per level. Beside of that, prestige classes are quite DM dependable - your DM has to put them in his campaign, or he has to allow them, which is quite a high risk. I know, that I can simply wish a new spell, but for that, sorcerer has to take wish spell, which becomes one of the three 9 th level spells which the sorcerer gets till level 20. After that you have approximately 4 wishes for 4 spells for 1 level of advancement, which further cripples sorcerer compared to wizard. Because of that sorcerer is one level lower than wizard... I still think, that PHB Wizard is a bit stronger than Sorcerer, but it is still balanced, but in ELH the ballance falls appart. Wizard gets spells with level, sorcerer doesnt, skills start to really count, when you want to develope new epic level spells and sorcerers are crippled again... In my opinion ELH was completly undertested! :( [/QUOTE]
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