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[EPIC LEVEL HANDBOOK] I'm scared
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<blockquote data-quote="mattcolville" data-source="post: 257871" data-attributes="member: 1300"><p>I think the epic level handbook is fantastic. It's a helluva lota product crammed between 2 covers being essentially a Epic Level PHB, MM, DMG, and Psionicists Handbook.</p><p></p><p>It's strength is it's vision. If your GM doesn't have a couple of super-powerful NPCs running around that you know someday you're either going to have to A: kill or B: supplant, then maybe Epic level just means 'more cheese' to you. Fair enough. But my GM has a ton of crap going on in the stratosphere of the higher levels and there have never been rules to support it.</p><p></p><p>Now there are, and the rules are amazing. Once the weirdness of "The Numbers Are Much Higher!" wears off and you start using your imagination to think of what's possible, it's amazing.</p><p></p><p>But the failing of the book is it's lack of vision. Some of my players thought the idea of Epic Level versions of their dudes was pretty exciting. Others simply couldn't see it. And the failing wasn't theirs. The idea of an epic rogue didn't make sense to my rogue-playing friend, and it didn't make a lot of sense to me either. 'He can *really* disarm a trap!' 'Wow, he gets 80d6 sneak attack.' It's just a normal rogue writ large and that's not what the epic level stuff is about. They invoke the names Gandalf, Conan, and the Gray Mouser. But to my ear, one of these guys doesn't fit. The Grey Mouser is maybe 17th level. A very good thief.</p><p></p><p>The Epic book needs to invent the idea of the Epic Rogue, maybe also the Epic Ranger, and then sell it to us. Maybe Drizzt is an Epic Ranger, but not Aragorn. Instead of inventing these ideas, it tries to sell us on the idea that somehow the Grey Mouser is in the same league as Elminster, which I don't see. </p><p></p><p>I read the Epic Characters section and the description of the rogue, for instance, sounds like A Good Rogue, not a Titan Rogue.</p><p></p><p>Also, the Axe of the Dwarvish Lords looks goofy.</p><p></p><p>Apart from that, like the spells, the feats, love the monsters, and the items. Can't wait to use the book.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="mattcolville, post: 257871, member: 1300"] I think the epic level handbook is fantastic. It's a helluva lota product crammed between 2 covers being essentially a Epic Level PHB, MM, DMG, and Psionicists Handbook. It's strength is it's vision. If your GM doesn't have a couple of super-powerful NPCs running around that you know someday you're either going to have to A: kill or B: supplant, then maybe Epic level just means 'more cheese' to you. Fair enough. But my GM has a ton of crap going on in the stratosphere of the higher levels and there have never been rules to support it. Now there are, and the rules are amazing. Once the weirdness of "The Numbers Are Much Higher!" wears off and you start using your imagination to think of what's possible, it's amazing. But the failing of the book is it's lack of vision. Some of my players thought the idea of Epic Level versions of their dudes was pretty exciting. Others simply couldn't see it. And the failing wasn't theirs. The idea of an epic rogue didn't make sense to my rogue-playing friend, and it didn't make a lot of sense to me either. 'He can *really* disarm a trap!' 'Wow, he gets 80d6 sneak attack.' It's just a normal rogue writ large and that's not what the epic level stuff is about. They invoke the names Gandalf, Conan, and the Gray Mouser. But to my ear, one of these guys doesn't fit. The Grey Mouser is maybe 17th level. A very good thief. The Epic book needs to invent the idea of the Epic Rogue, maybe also the Epic Ranger, and then sell it to us. Maybe Drizzt is an Epic Ranger, but not Aragorn. Instead of inventing these ideas, it tries to sell us on the idea that somehow the Grey Mouser is in the same league as Elminster, which I don't see. I read the Epic Characters section and the description of the rogue, for instance, sounds like A Good Rogue, not a Titan Rogue. Also, the Axe of the Dwarvish Lords looks goofy. Apart from that, like the spells, the feats, love the monsters, and the items. Can't wait to use the book. [/QUOTE]
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