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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kibo" data-source="post: 260722" data-attributes="member: 5451">Re: The Epic Lamentations of MouseferatuYou specifically said, Raistalin, and Sauron cannot be player characters.  Sauron wouldn't be a particularly interesting one, so I might even be inclined to give you that, except for the fact that I allow for the possiblity someone might be able to do what I don't concieve.  Raistlin however, could clearly be a brilliant character, and was.  The fact that some of his feats don't fit neatly into some rule book are beside the point.  The published rules are a guideline not a coloring book.  The ELC just more readily facilitates the integration of other literary ideas into the role-playing game.  It just saves the DM the time of having to hammer something out.  Making it even easier to play the novel, or play a new story worthy of being one.  You're of the opinion, that these fantasy concepts from literature ruin adventures.  Maybe what you think, but don't say, is they take the game out of role-playing game, which would be as silly as the things you've said.It's not even worthwhile to return to your assertion that hit points and ledgendary feats with ranged attacks are totally incompatible, particularly if there isn't even a hit location system.  That just boils down, to "Describing combat on the fly is hard, it's much easier to throw out numbers."  Fair enough.  But you not wishing to do so, doesn't make it impossible.  And epic feats, such as slaying an enemy with a single arrow, not through magical device, but supreme skill, are cool, can be *quite* dramatic, and, in the right setting, wholly appropriate.  The rewards for a life well played shouldn't just fit into Ye Old Vault of Accumulated Magic in the basement of your players' keep guarded by proper amount and kinds of henchment as presecribed by their levels.As to the how's.  If you can picture it being cool in your campaign, experiment with it a little, and take it.  If the players have something they think will be cool, but you have misgivings, have them convince you.  If they get you to the point where you can take it or leave it, take it, and experiment.  Naturally, the ELC for Mouseferatu, would require a bit more research on their part, and probably wouldn't sell very well.  <--- This is hyperbole, do not be alarmed!  At some point you do have to make some decisions about what you think is useful according to what you value.  They just saved you a lot of time but distilling a library's worth of fantasy, mythology, and legend into a single book, and tried to provide a little bit of balance for garnish.  That's pretty damn convienent.  As to what the stories should be like, well to each there own.  But on an epic level, as in ELC, that pretty well puts them the save the world or die catagory.  How many times they can do this, well that depends how big your "world" is and how fantastic is your campaign.  It's as fantastic as say ancient Greek myths where every city had a patron god, and a couple of demi-gods wandering around opening cans of whoop-a$$ on everything?  Well you can do quite a lot of that then.  If it's a less fantastic setting, you might get to save the world two or three times, once from the other most powerful person, once from another most powerful person no one knew about, and once from a or the Gods.  But even that's starting to get kinda campy.  If you go for stuff like planescape there's almost no limit.  You could probably get away with episodic epic adventures that perhaps were loosly connected to a super-epic adventure for a campaign.  In perhaps a more dramatic, more sinister comic book fashion. But that's just off the top of my head, and not what I have in mind to do.You've said quite a bit about your campaigns.  Your NPC's can have powers like Sauron, or Raistalin, your PC's can't, period.  Nor can the PC's do fantastic feats like slaying a powerful beast with a single arrow, without the aid of a plot device like an arrow of X slaying.  All this because you like a sense of reality with your high adventure involving mythological beasts and magic.  Fair enough.  But that does tell me a lot.  It tells me that your's isn't a world with characters, it's a game with sides.  I like consistancy, and continuity.  The sense that there are certain truths all other things are derived from.  Then I trust the NPC's I've created will have motivations that engage the players, and I trust the players to do what players do, and finally when all is said and done, a great story will seem to have written itself, no thanks to me.  And that is a most spectacular feeling.  (It's kind of like that feeling of epiphany, that same buzz, maybe a little more subdued, but this feeling is readily shared with others who are on exactly the same page with you.)Oh, about opinions.  If you don't wish to have yours interpreted, keep it to yourself.  Hey, look at the bright side, maybe you're just so brilliant that what I consider foolish or non-sequitor arguments are extremely astute insights that are missing what you consider obvious intermediate steps.  Of course I see no reason why anything that exists in literature, or movie, or whatever can't exist in a role-playing game.Have A Nice Day.</blockquote>

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