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<blockquote data-quote="Jhaelen" data-source="post: 5023767" data-attributes="member: 46713">Okay, I've finally found the time to look into this. Thanks for all the work you put into this, Stalker0!I think it's telling that even with the bad dice rolling and the impaired cleric the fight went so well.I'd love to see more test fights, though! Has anyone else made some test fights?As others have mentioned, I'd have preferred a test fight using five characters. My vote would have been for an archer ranger. But I think, simply reusing one of the existing iconic PCs would work, as well.The main advantage, imho, would be that you can use the example encounters straight out of the MMs and/or official adventure modules. Assuming the developers put some thought into them, they should be at least somewhat balanced. When using an encounter from a module you'd even get an encounter map for the fight!I've compiled a list of the sample encounters from the MM's. Maybe, you could use or adapt one of them for further tests:[code]MM1 p.50 (33,750 xp):1 dragonborn death knight (L25 elite soldier)&nbsp;&nbsp; 1x 14,0001 fell wyvern (L24 skirmisher)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 1x&nbsp; 6,0501 great flameskull (L24 artillery)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 1x&nbsp; 6,050 6 abyssal ghoul myrmidons (L23 minions)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 6x&nbsp; 1,275MM1 p.77 (30,600 xp):1 elder blue dragon (L20 solo artillery)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 1x 14,0002 thunderhawks (L22 elite soldier)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 2x&nbsp; 8,300MM1 p.83 (30,350 xp):1 elder red dragon (L22 solo soldier)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 1x 20,7502 fire archon ash disciples (L20 artillery)&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 2x&nbsp; 2,8002 fire giants (L18 soldier)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 2x&nbsp; 2,000MM1 p.121 (33,800 xp):1 death titan (L25 elite brute)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 1x 14,0002 death giants (L22 brute)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 2x&nbsp; 4,1501 voidsoul specter (L23 lurker)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 1x&nbsp; 5,1001 deathpriest hierophant (L21 elite controller) 1x&nbsp; 6,400MM1 p.210 (33,800 xp):1 deathpriest hierophant (L21 elite controller) 1x&nbsp; 6,4003 blood fiend abominations (L23 soldier)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 3x&nbsp; 5,1001 aspect of Orcus (L24 elite brute)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 1x 12,100MM1 p.218 (32,500 xp):2 rakshasa dread knights (L24 soldiers)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 2x&nbsp; 6,0502 fell wyverns (L24 skirmisher)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 2x&nbsp; 6,0501 war devil (L22 brute)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 1x&nbsp; 4,050MM2 p.10 (30,350 xp):3 angels of supremacy (L24 soldier)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 3x&nbsp; 6,0501 deva fallen star (L26 artillery)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 1x&nbsp; 9,0001 tormenting ghost (L21 controller (MM1 p.117)) 1x&nbsp; 3,200MM2 p.27 (34,750 xp):1 beholder eye of chaos (L25 elite artillery)&nbsp;&nbsp; 1x 14,0001 chaos hydra (L22 solo brute)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 1x 20,750MM2 p.50 (34,400 xp):1 aspect of Demogorgon (L25 elite controller)&nbsp;&nbsp; 1x 14,0002 glabrezus (L23 elite brute, MM1 p.54)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 2x 10,200MM2 p.135 (34,000 xp):1 iron golem juggernaut (L26 elite soldier)&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 1x 18,0001 storm gorgon (L26 skirmisher, MM1 p.143)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 1x&nbsp; 9,0001 djinn skylord (L25 controller)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 1x&nbsp; 7,000L24 encounter for 4 PCs: 24,200 xp (instead of 30,250 xp)L25 encounter for 4 PCs: 28,000 xp (instead of 35,000 xp)[/code]I'd also love to conduct some tests myself - I think should have some spare time over the holidays. However, apparently, the free version of the Character Builder doesn't allow me to load the iconics <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown&nbsp; &nbsp; :("&nbsp; data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" />Could someone please post the text-version of the iconics?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Jhaelen, post: 5023767, member: 46713"] Okay, I've finally found the time to look into this. Thanks for all the work you put into this, Stalker0! I think it's telling that even with the bad dice rolling and the impaired cleric the fight went so well. I'd love to see more test fights, though! Has anyone else made some test fights? As others have mentioned, I'd have preferred a test fight using five characters. My vote would have been for an archer ranger. But I think, simply reusing one of the existing iconic PCs would work, as well. The main advantage, imho, would be that you can use the example encounters straight out of the MMs and/or official adventure modules. Assuming the developers put some thought into them, they should be at least somewhat balanced. When using an encounter from a module you'd even get an encounter map for the fight! I've compiled a list of the sample encounters from the MM's. Maybe, you could use or adapt one of them for further tests:[code]MM1 p.50 (33,750 xp): 1 dragonborn death knight (L25 elite soldier) 1x 14,000 1 fell wyvern (L24 skirmisher) 1x 6,050 1 great flameskull (L24 artillery) 1x 6,050 6 abyssal ghoul myrmidons (L23 minions) 6x 1,275 MM1 p.77 (30,600 xp): 1 elder blue dragon (L20 solo artillery) 1x 14,000 2 thunderhawks (L22 elite soldier) 2x 8,300 MM1 p.83 (30,350 xp): 1 elder red dragon (L22 solo soldier) 1x 20,750 2 fire archon ash disciples (L20 artillery) 2x 2,800 2 fire giants (L18 soldier) 2x 2,000 MM1 p.121 (33,800 xp): 1 death titan (L25 elite brute) 1x 14,000 2 death giants (L22 brute) 2x 4,150 1 voidsoul specter (L23 lurker) 1x 5,100 1 deathpriest hierophant (L21 elite controller) 1x 6,400 MM1 p.210 (33,800 xp): 1 deathpriest hierophant (L21 elite controller) 1x 6,400 3 blood fiend abominations (L23 soldier) 3x 5,100 1 aspect of Orcus (L24 elite brute) 1x 12,100 MM1 p.218 (32,500 xp): 2 rakshasa dread knights (L24 soldiers) 2x 6,050 2 fell wyverns (L24 skirmisher) 2x 6,050 1 war devil (L22 brute) 1x 4,050 MM2 p.10 (30,350 xp): 3 angels of supremacy (L24 soldier) 3x 6,050 1 deva fallen star (L26 artillery) 1x 9,000 1 tormenting ghost (L21 controller (MM1 p.117)) 1x 3,200 MM2 p.27 (34,750 xp): 1 beholder eye of chaos (L25 elite artillery) 1x 14,000 1 chaos hydra (L22 solo brute) 1x 20,750 MM2 p.50 (34,400 xp): 1 aspect of Demogorgon (L25 elite controller) 1x 14,000 2 glabrezus (L23 elite brute, MM1 p.54) 2x 10,200 MM2 p.135 (34,000 xp): 1 iron golem juggernaut (L26 elite soldier) 1x 18,000 1 storm gorgon (L26 skirmisher, MM1 p.143) 1x 9,000 1 djinn skylord (L25 controller) 1x 7,000 L24 encounter for 4 PCs: 24,200 xp (instead of 30,250 xp) L25 encounter for 4 PCs: 28,000 xp (instead of 35,000 xp) [/code] I'd also love to conduct some tests myself - I think should have some spare time over the holidays. However, apparently, the free version of the Character Builder doesn't allow me to load the iconics :( Could someone please post the text-version of the iconics? [/QUOTE]

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