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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mortaneus" data-source="post: 96444" data-attributes="member: 485">*laugh*  Just my luck.  I post, and the thread gets canned.  Ah, well.  Here's my take on the whole epic-level thing (with the old-thread-specific stuff removed):Pro-Epic:I can finally continue playing my high level character, with an officially supported system for it, that gives me all sorts of cool options and growth possibilities.I can make villains to challenge my high level (15-20) PCs, and not require them to have an army or two to spare to last more than a round.Those of us who have characters who have ascended to godhood can possibly still continue playing them (possibly....).Anti-Epic:I'm sorry. 800 hp is a bit silly. I mean, heck....what would a 120th level Barbarian look like? 1700hp? That's nuts, when you think about it. That's like surviving re-entry, falling down the gullet of the tarrasque, living through its digestive processes, coming out the back end, and going swimming through a pit of lava. I mean, really.I really don't have much of a problem with munchkins. I don't play with them, and I don't run for them, but if they want to play in games suited to their taste, and others want to run them, then by all means go for it. The difficulty comes in hearing about people's Sorcerer48/Fighter81/Barbarian293/ Rogue65345 Half-Gold Dragon Lich Minotaur who killed all the gods in every pantheon, chained their tormented spirits up in a pit, and forces them to make booze. It's shades of 1st edition. I think it's already been mentioned, but remember the old Waldorf letter in old issues of Dragon, and the flood of response letters a few months later? *sigh*Making 18-20'th level characters from scratch takes forever.  What will 40+ characters be like?Anyway, the whole point is really moot.  In the end, the only really important question is 'Are the players having fun?' If the answer is 'yes', then there's no problem.ps.  All hail TOON!  (and Paranoia....and Teenages from Outer Space...and GURPS IOU, the best setting ever written....)</blockquote>

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