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<blockquote data-quote="Jack Simth" data-source="post: 3032639" data-attributes="member: 29252">In my opinion, at least, Epic spells should be, well, Epic - the best of the best of spells.&nbsp; A Paladin, while able to qualify for Epic spellcasting once sufficiently Epic (requires 6 epic feats - five to get a 9th level spell slot, one for Eipc Spelcasting) is not primarily a spellcaster.&nbsp; He's more a warrior-protector.&nbsp; As part of that, he has some spellcasting he can do - but his spell list is in support of being a warrior-protector, not something that's particularly &quot;da bomb&quot; seperate from that.&nbsp; As far as Paladin spells go, a 4th level Paladin spell that's on someone else's list (those in the PHB, anyway) don't go over 5th level for anyone else.&nbsp; For Ranger spells (again, PHB), those on other classes' lists as well don't go over 5th level spells.&nbsp; For 6th level bard spells, with three exceptions in the PHB, they don't go over 7th level spells for anyone else (exceptions: Greater Shout, Irresistable Dance, and Mass Charm Monster - even then, only 8th level spells for other classes).&nbsp; Thematically, does it make sense that someone who has minor spellcasting ability (Paladin, Ranger) or moderate spellcasting ability (Bard) should suddenly be able to keep up with the best of the best spells of the full spellcasters (Sorcerer, Wizard, Cleric, Druid) at 21st?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Jack Simth, post: 3032639, member: 29252"] In my opinion, at least, Epic spells should be, well, Epic - the best of the best of spells. A Paladin, while able to qualify for Epic spellcasting once sufficiently Epic (requires 6 epic feats - five to get a 9th level spell slot, one for Eipc Spelcasting) is not primarily a spellcaster. He's more a warrior-protector. As part of that, he has some spellcasting he can do - but his spell list is in support of being a warrior-protector, not something that's particularly "da bomb" seperate from that. As far as Paladin spells go, a 4th level Paladin spell that's on someone else's list (those in the PHB, anyway) don't go over 5th level for anyone else. For Ranger spells (again, PHB), those on other classes' lists as well don't go over 5th level spells. For 6th level bard spells, with three exceptions in the PHB, they don't go over 7th level spells for anyone else (exceptions: Greater Shout, Irresistable Dance, and Mass Charm Monster - even then, only 8th level spells for other classes). Thematically, does it make sense that someone who has minor spellcasting ability (Paladin, Ranger) or moderate spellcasting ability (Bard) should suddenly be able to keep up with the best of the best spells of the full spellcasters (Sorcerer, Wizard, Cleric, Druid) at 21st? [/QUOTE]

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