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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sepulchrave II" data-source="post: 3051897" data-attributes="member: 4303">Fort Save of Some KR 35-50 MonstersAtropal (KR 50) +22Dream Larva (KR 42) +31Infernal (KR 43) +31Ignore these, abominations aren't affected by transmutations. Also see below.Young Adult Force Dragon (KR 40) +33Young Adult Prismatic Dragon (KR 42) +36Primal Earth Elemental (KR 49) +60 Black Slaad (KR 43) +30Elder Treant (KR 36) +45Prismasaurus (KR 40)  +41I'm inclined to say that creatures with DvR shouldn't be subject to the 'overcome specific immunity' factor - this would give abominations some room. Perhaps a surcharge on the factor to penetrate divine immunities is in order.The 39th-level conventional disintegrate specialist (let's give him SF and GSF (Transmutation) as well) prompts a Save with DC of 35. The black slaad might get unlucky - if he misses 2 saves out of 5, he's gone. No problem for the other guys.VGG will demand a Save at DC 39 - barring factors used to increase the DC. The black slaad is 40% toast. An Epic Buff which grants +30 Int will have a USP of 54 (your version) or 60 (my version). This will jack the Save DC up by another 9 points to 48 for VGG. Things are looking pretty sketchy, now. It will take another 28 factors (to either the buff or the VGG DC) for the primal elemental to even break a sweat.All of this is anecdotal - I don't have the time or mathematical savvy for an in-depth analysis. But most creatures' saves scale far quicker than the DCs of spells used to hit them. At first glance, I'd actually say that epic spells redress the balance somewhat.I'm agreeing that controlling mitigating factors is vital, though. I think there should be 3: no more.XP burn.Backlash.Rituals (folded with extended casting time).How these three combine should be tightly regulated. All epic feats which currently affect the Spellcraft Prerequisite directly should be restructured to offer indirect mitigation - some by changing seed parameters. If we go this route, we need lots of them.The DM might allow ad hoc mitigating factors, but they should be nonstandard.</blockquote>

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