Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.
Community
Archive Forums
Hosted Forums
Personal & Hosted Forums
Hosted Publisher Forums
Dog Soul Hosted Forum
Epic Magic Big Thread
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Sepulchrave II" data-source="post: 3056930" data-attributes="member: 4303"><p><strong>Retrofitting Casting Times and Components into Seed SPs and Other Tweaks</strong></p><p></p><p><em>Afflict:</em> Reduce the base SP to 8 for <em>bindness/deafness</em>. The reason that I let this go originally was the added versatility of being able to afflict any sense seemed worth a +4 increase, and the iconic stature of <em>bestow curse</em> could be retained. Not so sure now, though. I think at SP 8 you should strike the target blind or deaf; at +4 SP afflict some other sense (blindsense, tremorsense etc.)</p><p></p><p><em>Animate:</em> I want to include <em>animate plants.</em> Waive the arcane surcharge.</p><p></p><p><em>Animate Dead:</em> Increase <em>create greater undead</em> subseed SP from 20 to 28 to reflect 1-hour casting time.</p><p></p><p><em>Contact:</em> Reduce the interplanar factor of <em>telepathic bond</em> from +4 to +2: precedent SC p.125; <em>interplanar telepathic bond</em> is only sor/wiz 6. Maybe increase the <em>sending</em> SP by +6 to relect 10-min casting time of root spell: this seems pretty harsh, though. It might be offset by reducing the additional targets SP from +6 to +2 and adding an 'for each additional 25 words' clause at +1.</p><p></p><p><em>Delude:</em> Increase <em>screen</em> subseed from SP 20 to SP 26 to refelct 10-minute casting time. I'm cool with this, as <em>screen</em> is pretty potent.</p><p></p><p><em>Energy:</em> Add sonic effect at either +4 SP or at same SP but 10d4. I incline towards the former, or the <em>wall of ... </em> function gets difficult to manage.</p><p></p><p><em>Force:</em> I think the combination <em>resilient sphere</em> and <em>wall of force</em> works, as the root <em>resilient sphere</em> is susceptible to <em>greater dispel magic</em> and an epic spell derived from this seed is not. <em>Epic dispel</em> can hit them both, anyway. I think we can waive the 1-level discrepancy.</p><p></p><p><em>Foresee:</em> Increase SP for <em>divination</em> and <em>contact other plane</em> by +6 in both instances to reflect 10-minute casting time. Including <em>moment of prescience</em> and <em>foresight</em> would be nice, but <em>foresight</em> is notoriously subject to DM interpretation. <em>Moment of prescience</em> was originally excluded because of Spellcraft inflation - I didn't get round to putting it back in.</p><p></p><p><em>Heal, Harrow, Life</em>: Been there, done that.</p><p></p><p><em>Reveal:</em> Increase the SP by +6 and base scrying subseed on <em>greater scrying</em> (20 hrs) instead. Increasing <em>clairaudience</em> SP by +6 (10 minute casting) seems too much: a <em>greater clairaudience</em> (lvl 7, 1 hr/level) to mirror <em>greater scrying</em> seems wholly reasonable. Reduce interplanar factor from +10 to +4. Increase <em>Discern location</em> function by +6 to reflect casting time. Hate the other factors - this seed needs serious work.</p><p></p><p><em>Transmute:</em> Turn A into B (not <em>polymorph</em>). This one's a headache - I want to include <em>transmute rock to mud</em> and <em>flesh to stone</em> but also some effects from <em>polymorph any object</em> (which is broken). Somehow translate the weird sympathetic magic durations of <em>poly any object</em> into factors: all would be permanent.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sepulchrave II, post: 3056930, member: 4303"] [B]Retrofitting Casting Times and Components into Seed SPs and Other Tweaks[/B] [I]Afflict:[/I] Reduce the base SP to 8 for [I]bindness/deafness[/I]. The reason that I let this go originally was the added versatility of being able to afflict any sense seemed worth a +4 increase, and the iconic stature of [I]bestow curse[/I] could be retained. Not so sure now, though. I think at SP 8 you should strike the target blind or deaf; at +4 SP afflict some other sense (blindsense, tremorsense etc.) [I]Animate:[/I] I want to include [I]animate plants.[/I] Waive the arcane surcharge. [I]Animate Dead:[/I] Increase [I]create greater undead[/I] subseed SP from 20 to 28 to reflect 1-hour casting time. [I]Contact:[/I] Reduce the interplanar factor of [I]telepathic bond[/I] from +4 to +2: precedent SC p.125; [I]interplanar telepathic bond[/I] is only sor/wiz 6. Maybe increase the [I]sending[/I] SP by +6 to relect 10-min casting time of root spell: this seems pretty harsh, though. It might be offset by reducing the additional targets SP from +6 to +2 and adding an 'for each additional 25 words' clause at +1. [I]Delude:[/I] Increase [I]screen[/I] subseed from SP 20 to SP 26 to refelct 10-minute casting time. I'm cool with this, as [I]screen[/I] is pretty potent. [I]Energy:[/I] Add sonic effect at either +4 SP or at same SP but 10d4. I incline towards the former, or the [I]wall of ... [/I] function gets difficult to manage. [I]Force:[/I] I think the combination [I]resilient sphere[/I] and [I]wall of force[/I] works, as the root [I]resilient sphere[/I] is susceptible to [I]greater dispel magic[/I] and an epic spell derived from this seed is not. [I]Epic dispel[/I] can hit them both, anyway. I think we can waive the 1-level discrepancy. [I]Foresee:[/I] Increase SP for [I]divination[/I] and [I]contact other plane[/I] by +6 in both instances to reflect 10-minute casting time. Including [I]moment of prescience[/I] and [I]foresight[/I] would be nice, but [I]foresight[/I] is notoriously subject to DM interpretation. [I]Moment of prescience[/I] was originally excluded because of Spellcraft inflation - I didn't get round to putting it back in. [I]Heal, Harrow, Life[/I]: Been there, done that. [I]Reveal:[/I] Increase the SP by +6 and base scrying subseed on [I]greater scrying[/I] (20 hrs) instead. Increasing [I]clairaudience[/I] SP by +6 (10 minute casting) seems too much: a [I]greater clairaudience[/I] (lvl 7, 1 hr/level) to mirror [I]greater scrying[/I] seems wholly reasonable. Reduce interplanar factor from +10 to +4. Increase [I]Discern location[/I] function by +6 to reflect casting time. Hate the other factors - this seed needs serious work. [I]Transmute:[/I] Turn A into B (not [I]polymorph[/I]). This one's a headache - I want to include [I]transmute rock to mud[/I] and [I]flesh to stone[/I] but also some effects from [I]polymorph any object[/I] (which is broken). Somehow translate the weird sympathetic magic durations of [I]poly any object[/I] into factors: all would be permanent. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
Archive Forums
Hosted Forums
Personal & Hosted Forums
Hosted Publisher Forums
Dog Soul Hosted Forum
Epic Magic Big Thread
Top