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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cheiromancer" data-source="post: 3067887" data-attributes="member: 141">A couple of random observations:Your polymorph seed is based on dragonshape, which is a swift action to cast.  This would be a perfect instance where you could increase the duration two steps to compensate for the -8 for quickening.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> Your reveal seed is ambiguous about whether you can both see and hear your target- first it says you can, then it says you can see but not hear.  But as you say, that seed needs some work.I was looking in the ELH for spells- man, are they poorly designed!  Verdigris for instance- the most important part of the spell (typeless damage that also affects buildings) is assigned an ad hoc value the same as the energy seed.  The conjure seed is totally irrelevant- it is just there for flavor.  And the designers are pretending that "effect: 20 cubic feet" is an area- at least that's the only way I can see how they turned the conjure seed into a 20-ft. hemisphere at the cost of only +2 DC.  It's a complete mess, yet apparently the designers were proud enough of it that they scaled it up to make verdigris tsunami, whose cost vastly outweighs any possible benefit of casting it.That conjure seed also gets used a lot in the ELH.  From create living vault to eclipse, origin of species and raise island, to those verdigris spells.  I'm going to have to look at it more carefully, given all the things that might be expected of it.  I think wall of stone is a more sensible base spell for things like eclipse and raise island.  For one thing, it has a volume of 208 cubic feet at 20th level; 10 times that of conjured material.  Much easier to justify treating as an area effect.  Though this would still not fill up even two 5-ft. cubes.  There's no problem with wall of thorns, though- 20 10-ft. cubes is a lot of area.  More than a 20-ft. hemisphere, in fact.So maybe base verdigris off of wall of thorns.  That still leaves the damage unexplained.  If verdigris is typeless damage that can affect buildings, maybe it can be made as a variation of destroy; one that does less damage (10d6 vs 40d6) but affects an area?  The target to area is worth +12, but I don't know how to handle the damage being quartered.  Of course, wall of thorns does damage to creatures... but not to buildings.    Hmmm.But anyway, we might want to add a matter seed to go along with energy.  Conjure can be primarily for shaped or valuable material.  Or just expand the conjure seed to include wall of stone and wall of thorns type applications.The origin of species spells in ELH I would think best based on a variant of call.  The notion being that somewhere in the multiverse is anything you can think of- all you need to do is bring it here, and make this its new home.  This would involve changing something's home plane, and probably changing some its traits.  I wonder if a variation on summon would be better- I've always thought of summoning as involving the imposition of a form of a creature onto reality, not really the transportation of a creature.  You would just need a substrate that would retain the impression of a form indefinitely.Probably should be an epic spell just to create a simple CR 1 creature.  Maybe SP = 20 + (4 x CR) would work?  And an xp cost too.  Maybe 250 xp per CR?  Such a creature would be a native of the plane it was made on, and its statistics would have to be worked out with the DM.  That SP might be too low, though a low SP would help explain the great variety of monsters in a D&D world. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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