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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cheiromancer" data-source="post: 3068782" data-attributes="member: 141">It would be nice to find a way of discouraging infinite specialization on the part of spellcasters.  If someone has spent 35 feats honing their mastery of the disintegrate seed they can probably destroy the game world.  And then where would folks adventure?  As much as possible I would prefer not to write those 35 feats.  The system might still fall apart, but not as quickly as if I were actively cooperating with those trying to break it.That does sound like a lot of work!  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f631.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":eek:" title="Eek!    :eek:"  data-smilie="9"data-shortname=":eek:" /> There are lots of seeds- we have about 30 right now, and more will come.  We'll probably need a table of what works with what.  I think an awful lot could work with ritual spells if you allow them to transmit effects via weather, or via the special sensor that the reveal seed can create.  You may also want to compel/destroy/banish creatures that are bound in a summoning circle, though it should be easier to bind them than destroy them forever. (I have a thought: we might need a constrain seed, - perhaps it is a sub-seed of compel - specifically for binding, geasing and forbidding type effects.  It could be worded to bypass some of those pesky mind blank type immunities.)Anyway, back to detail work.I've taken a stab at drafting a third bullet-point for the conjure seed.  I was thinking of spells like verdigris, raise island and eclipse when I wrote it.  Exponential factors play a role- it isn't practical to make islands without them.  Wall of stone and wall of thorns will be added to the list of base spells.  I took the liberty of widening them to make them match the level of true creation:<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Large quantities of crude, unformed matter may be conjured; earth, stone, snow, water, vegetable matter, etc..  The material is never of particularly high quality; brambles, bushes and small trees, but not valuable lumber; assorted stones that can be shaped into a crude fence, but not marble suitable for carving, etc.  A 10-ft block of solid stone can be made (12-ft, actually), or a 20-ft radius hemisphere of earthen material (loose stones, dirt or clay, in whatever proportions the caster desires), or enough shrubs, trees and brambles to densely cover a 400-ft square (or 225-ft radius circle) to a depth of 10 ft. (The volumes of material made are more or less according to the proportions of 1:10:1000).  The material forms quickly, but not so quickly as to do damage to creatures caught in the area. Factors: Increasing the amount of crude material requires the addition of special volume factors.  To create an additional quantity of material equal to the base volume, increase the Spellcraft Prerequisite by +2.  To increase the base volume of material 100-fold, increase the Spellcraft Prerequisite by +20.  To increase the base volume of material 10,000-fold, increase the Spellcraft Prerequisite by +40.  To increase the base volume of material 1,000,000-fold, increase the Spellcraft Prerequisite by +60, and so on.  Only half the cost of  the volume factors may be mitigated. Factor: Solid material may be conjured quickly enough to cause damage to those in the area of effect.  Double the volume factor and add a base energy seed corresponding to the desired damage.  The damage will be bludgeoning unless another type seems more appropriate (brambles might do slashing damage, say).</li> </ul>[edit] I messed this up a little: I forgot that wall of thorns wasn't instantaneous.  I'll think about this later.Sorry for introducing exponential factors again- but if they are included in a specific seed's factors, along with limits to mitigation, they might be safe enough to use.  One could do the same thing with a suite of "Voluminous Conjuration" feats, I suppose, but I'd prefer not to rely on them.  Let the spellcasters use their feats for something else than enhancing epic spellcasting; or if they are truly monomaniacal, let them stock up on nice, boring, linear improvements like more Epic Spellcasting Slots. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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