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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sepulchrave II" data-source="post: 3069891" data-attributes="member: 4303">I like your afflict - it's tidy; although the clause in 'Conditions' re. the range and limitation seems a bit contrived. But I like the idea of rendering all aspects of a seed into a single SP where practical.Like I say, it's a draft. I haven't even glanced at these for months (until this morning) so there will be holes. It's very mixed up - the duration is from a prior set where hallucinatory terrain was the root of the delude seed - note that I changed the SP to that of screen quickly as I cut & pasted it: in fact, if screen is the root of the delude seed, then the vision should take 24 hrs to reify. Which is nicer, anyway. Arguably, mirage arcana would make a better candidate - that was also a root in delude until I decided that screen should supersede it because it's all-encompassing. Fortify is a descriptive seed - it has no mechanical impact on the spell. It describes the necessity of fortifying, of making something stonger, more stable, more real. Likewise transform is descriptive - although it should probably be omitted: it was included primarily to increase the SP; although if pressed, I'm sure that I could make a  case as to why it should be there. Both aggregates also assume a far greater degree of mitigation than I am currently comfortable with, for reasons which we have discussed at length: there is therefore a certain degree of redundancy in insisting on the high SPs.Conjure is the base seed of the reified vision because ultimately you're making something out of nothing.Aggregates should act as a means of bypassing very high SPs which would otherwise be unattainable. In the original ELH system, there were a few very sketchy spells. The original intention was to create a 'superset' of epic seeds which could handle them:Raise island - reified vision.Rain of fire - magical weather.Soul scry/dominion - remote manifestationOrigin of species - its own aggregateSome kind of mechanic for:Longevity SpellsSpells which curse families through generationsTransmogrifications which irrevocably (i.e. instantaneously) change the form of a subjectSpells which manipulate the passage of time in an areaInfusions of shadowstuff into epic conjurations and evocationsSpells which create eidolons or scions - free willed simulacraSpells which reincarnate the deceased in any form with equal ECLSome kind of channeling mechanic (summon + transform); some kind of planar substitution mechanic (summon + transport). Etc.All of these need some kind of guiding mechanics  - many are archetypical; many, players IME, simply want to do. In most cases, seeds alone are completely incapable of handling them.</blockquote>

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