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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cheiromancer" data-source="post: 3072933" data-attributes="member: 141">Ah, that makes more sense!Let's pretend psionic dominate is a 4th level spell without components.  Add full-factors to increase possible targets (+4), duration (+4) and +5 save DC (+10).  Total is +18; halve according to the himafaf rule, and the result is an 13th level spell, identical in every way to the 9th level dominate monster except for the range (medium instead of close) and the absence of components.  A still (+1 level), silent (+1 level) dominate monster with range bumped up one step (+2 levels) would also be 13th level.   In other words, you don't get a different result from psionic dominate than you would with dominate monsterThe only thing you might want to do is maybe modify the Spellcraft Prerequisite of [compel] to reflect the 1 round casting time of the base seed- if you do, it would be 24 instead of 22.  On the other hand, suppose you took psionic dominate, increased its targets and duration by himafaf values of +2 and +2, but offset it with reduced range (-2) and two additional components (-2).  This would yield a 4th level base spell; USP 12, or USP 14 after accounting for the casting time.  Seems suspiciously low to me; I suspect that psionics weren't meant to be mitigated by adding verbal and somatic components; the duration factors (going from concentration to 1 day/level for only +4?) also seem underpriced.Regarding the proposed -4 factor for reduced duration:20 days-->20 hours-->200 minutes-->20 minutes-->20 rounds-->1 round (or maybe 2) is 5 steps.  If reduced duration was not a preferred mitigation for [compel], then each reduction would be worth -2, or -10 total, exactly enough to balance the +10 for "a suicidal or outright unreasonable" command.  It also makes a spell that compares nicely with [slay]; instead of a SP of 18 to kill an opponent outright, you have a SP of 24 which makes them commit suicide (or do something else equally disastrous).  The increased flexibility in exactly which outrageous action they'll do would be worth about a +6 SP; it's also balanced a bit by the fact that they might survive the coup-de-grace on themselves (or that someone else will interfere with the auto-coup-de-grace and prevent it from working).Spells that are safe for use at long periods might have their durations increased by one or more steps- if players wish to use the reduced duration mitigating factor, they could do so.  A few seeds where reduced duration is problematic (like [compel]) could have indicators that reduced duration is not a preferred mitigation, and so each step only reduces the SP by -2.  I'd say the default would be that reduced duration is a preferred mitigation.  Just note the few exceptions.</blockquote>

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