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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cheiromancer" data-source="post: 3083375" data-attributes="member: 141">Sep, Do you own a copy of the Immortal's Handbook: Ascension?  Currently Beta 1.0 is available from ENGS.  I rather imagine that Upper_Krust's work will become the standard for epic level gaming (No offense to Dicefreaks!), so it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world if our seed system harmonized with it.  I was looking at his take on epic level metamagic and think these two feats are especially worth looking at.  These are OGL, and if we use them your OGL declaration will have to include "COPYRIGHT NOTICE “Immortals Handbook: Ascension ©2006, Craig Cochrane.”" The following are taken almost word for word from Ascension:AUTOMATIC METAMAGIC CAPACITY [EPIC] (SU)You can cast spells that exceed the normal limits of spellcasting.Prerequisties: Ability to cast spells at the normal maximum spell level in at least one spellcasting class, four metamagic feats.Benefit: When you select this feat you gain one free level of metamagic per round, which you may spontaneously apply to any spell you can cast.e.g. A wizard with Automatic Metamagic Capacity could spontaneously apply the Enlarge Spell feat (or any other metamagic that increases the level of the spell slot required by one) once per round to any spell he casts, without increasing the level of the spell slots required. It also stacks with existing metamagic deployment.e.g. A wizard with Automatic Metamagic Capacity feats could spontaneously apply the Enlarge Spell feat to a previously prepared empowered delayed blast fireball in a 9th-level spell slot.Special: You may choose this feat multiple times.  Its effects stack; each time you choose this feat you gain one free level of metamagic per round. e.g. A wizard with 3 Automatic Metamagic Capacity feats could spontaneously apply the Maximise Spell feat to a previously prepared empowered delayed blast fireball in a 9th-level spell slot.METAMAGIC FREEDOM [EPIC] (SU)You may stack the same metamagic feat multiple times.Prerequisties: Four metamagic feats, Spellcraft 24 ranks.Benefit: You may apply the same metamagic feat any number of times to the same spell, provided you have a spell slot of adequate level or sufficient free levels of metamagic from Automatic Metamagic Capacity.e.g. With this feat you could use a 9th-level spell slot to triple empower a fireball spell (for +150% damage).Normal: Without this feat you may only apply the same metamagic feat once to a single spell.Special: To cast more than one quickened spell in a round you must use the free levels of metamagic granted by Automatic Metamagic Capacity to quicken the second and subsequent quickened spells. In any given round, you may cast one spell that is not quickened, one spell that is prepared as quickened, and any number of spontaneously quickened spells; each spontaneously quickened spell will use 4 free levels of metamagic from your Automatic Metamagic Capacity quota for that round. Multiple quickened spells happen simultaneously, so you cannot teleport to a location, cast a spell and then teleport away again.First of all, Automatic Metamagic Capacity would work like Improved Metamagic, and so provides a -2 mitigation to all epic spells.  It would also be the obvious choice for a conventional caster.ISC is ineliminable in our system, since we need it to provide epic spell slots.  It requires a little thinking to see that it continues to have value for conventional casters.  Improved Metamagic (let alone AMC) looks very attractive in comparison:  Consider a 21st level generalist wizard with an intelligence of 32 (16 base + 5 level + 6 headband +5 inherent).  He has 55 non-cantrip spells he can prepare every day (36 regular, and 19 bonus spells from high Intelligence).  IM or AMC will add +1 level of metamagic to each spell, gaining +55 spell levels.  Or he can get ISC, which will yield two 10th level spell slots (one from the feat, +1 ability bonus) for +20 spell levels.  It looks like ISC is greatly inferior, but remember that the quality of metamagic is lacking compared to real spells.  The caster might be better off with having 2 more 9th level spells to cast than having +1 metamagic on each of his existing 55 spells.  But it's a tough call.I'm sort of wondering about having epic spells take up 2 spell slots.  Is one 10th level spell worth two ninth level spells?  If it is, then fine.  If not, then maybe the simpler rule of 1 slot = 1 spell should be adopted.  Even if that means discarding the 1 feat = 1 epic spell rule.  I'm not sure.</blockquote>

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