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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cheiromancer" data-source="post: 3096899" data-attributes="member: 141">Let's put the spasm issue on the back-burner for a moment.  I want to return to talk about the [life] seed again;Suppose Raise dead is a USP 19 effect (19 -4 casting time, -1 power component = 14 = 5th level).  Let's also suppose that you want to increase the temporal range from days to decades; x 3650 duration is about 3.5 ten-fold increases (3.56, actually) at +2/step = +7. Let's also assume that you wish to add almost-sweeping flexibility to your targets; dead outsiders, destroyed undead, those slain by death magic, those for whom only a fragment of their body is present; another +8.  +15 total.Let's also assume that since we are dealing with factors applied to non-epic spells, that the rule 6 SP = 1 spell level applies.  Then resurrection's +2 levels provides +12 SP, the increased casting time (10 minutes vs 1 minute) provides another +2, and the more expensive component provides +1 SP.  Exactly the +15 required.Both raise dead and resurrection cause the being raised to lose a level of experience; by dropping to the mid-point of the previous level, which is about 500 xp per level.  This corresponds to a cost (at 250 xp = 1 SP and level = CR) of 2 SP per CR.  Which is very interesting; this ratio shows up in [summon], [call] and [animate dead] as well.True resurrection is two levels higher than resurrection, and costs 15 000 gp more.  At 6 SP/spell level and 5000 gp = 1 SP this is another +15 SP, for a total of 50 SP.  You get the raise dead effect, but with the broad temporal range and sweeping flexibility (you only need an unambiguous description of the entity raised).  But where did the +2 SP/CR go?  It's not being absorbed by the target any more.I submit that true resurrection employs a different paradigm; it is purely on the 2 SP per +1 CR model, and should only work on targets whose level/CR is 25 or less.  Note that 25 is where 9th level spells typically cap their effects.  But it is basically the same spell as [animate dead], which creates an undead monster at an SP = 20, or twice the monster's CR, whichever is greater.  At least my seed did; I don't recall if yours did.Awakening a plant or animal works on much the same principle; a colossal awakened tree uses the stats of a colossal animated object, which has a CR of 10.  SP 20 would be in the realm of the [life] seed, (and explains the 24 hour casting time for awaken spell; the designers want to make sure that a 4th level (SP 12) spell can hit an SP target in the 20s; a -15 casting time duration factor and an xp cost is a way of doing this).Anyway, this would sweep [life], [awaken] and [animate dead] into a very simple seed that employs 2 SP = 1 CR as its basic mechanic.  You could even raise, awaken or animate multiple low CR characters in this way.</blockquote>

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