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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cheiromancer" data-source="post: 3097344" data-attributes="member: 141">Much better. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Let's see.  Suppose you want to enlist the service of a balor for 20 days.  Probably SP 48 (base 24 + 2 * 14 extra CR - 4 reduced range).  And then you'd have to pay around 20 000 gp, or maybe 40 000.  That's the equivalent of -4 or -8 in mitigation, so SP 52 or 56.Summoning a balor for 20 days is a lot easier.  (base 24 + 2 * 8 extra + 4 extra duration - 4 reduced range).  Only SP 40.I kinda like the notion of the difference between noumenal and phenomenal being around 12 or 16, so that fits too.(Just based on theory of seeds; it wouldn't necessarily be possible to summon a creature for that long- though I don't see why not.)I was just wondering about that.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> Though that only covers the first 20 minutes- not the next 55 years.[edit]Base 4?  Then USP of 76 for a certain CR 30 demon prince.Assuming a 30th level spellcaster; 33 ranks of spellcraft, you could have Epic Spellcasting and 6 Improved Metamagic feats (-12 SP).  Make it an all day spell (-15), reduced range (-4).  You only need 12 more factors from somewhere.  Less if you have another couple of levels.[edit2] I think the value of a power component should be proportionate to its square root; 25 000 would be -5, 36 000 would be -6, 49 000 -7 and so on.</blockquote>

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