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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cheiromancer" data-source="post: 3102183" data-attributes="member: 141">The main cost seems to be the phylactery; 120 000 gp and the Craft Wondrous Item feat.  The MM entry suggests that if you make a phylactery you become a lich automatically.  Ascent to Lichdom would allow you to turn lackeys into liches, but they would be liches without phylacteries, which limits their power greatly.  Better than a necropolitan, I suppose, but not quite as good as true liches.I've never understood why lich characters have a LA.  Characters who spend a lot of time and money crafting magic items will be more powerful than characters who haven't, but they don't get a LA.  Why should a character who makes a phylactery get a LA?The key to the transmorgrification spells (instantaneous transformations) seems to be here.  I don't think LA is relevant, though.  A caster's CR doesn't change because of spells he casts (summonings, buffs, etc.); it shouldn't change because of any spells he casts on himself.  If his CR doesn't change, I don't see why his LA should change.  Though maybe he should have to spend xp (like Sep's formula for permanent spells).  That would make a lot of sense; it's like paying 25 000 xp to get a +5 inherent bonus.  Or like paying off a LA according to the UA rules.I could easily see characters acquiring celestial/half-celestial templates, or becoming half-dragons or fey or whatever.  In fact Eadric and Ortwin(e) are both prime examples.  Having epic magic mediate these changes seems sensible enough.</blockquote>

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