Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Community
Archive Forums
Hosted Forums
Personal & Hosted Forums
Hosted Publisher Forums
Dog Soul Hosted Forum
Epic Magic Big Thread
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Greybar" data-source="post: 3106930" data-attributes="member: 4938"><p><strong>thought from the morning commute</strong></p><p></p><p>This going to seem to start off as an non-Epic Magic thing, but it comes back to it, I promise.</p><p></p><p>Bookkeeping. The bane of many players, particularly at high levels. Do really care what orisons my 35th level cleric has memorized? If my 35th level wizard wants to sit in his library and use mage-hand to retrieve books from the shelves all day long, doesn't that fit the storytelling level of his power? When my blessed saint of the faith walks down the streets, I want healing and blessings to pour forth from his touch effortlessly.</p><p></p><p>Similarly, do 3rd level spell slots even really matter when epic spellcasters face off? They're hardly worth buffing time. They're just a drag on the system. Now we had a proposal earlier that epic casters should be able to burn lower spell levels slots to mitigate epic spells. At least then they're useful for something. But I have to juggle my numbers - do I still have a 3rd and two 2nd level slots free? Does my epic spell have to specify exactly what lower levels that comes from, and become useless if I accidentially cast one too many 4th level spells?</p><p></p><p>So...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Additional Benefit 1:</p><p>When you select this feat, spells of a level 10 lower than the newly gained slot become castable at will, as a Spell-Like Ability. All spells known to the caster are available under this ability, without need for memorization. Indeed, the caster no longer memorizes these spells at all. Thus a wizard21 who takes this feat no longer memorizes cantrips (0 level spells), and can cast any cantrip he knows at will.</p><p></p><p>Additional Benefit 2:</p><p>When you select this feat, spells of a level 8 or more levels lower than the newly gained slot become pooled. The pool has a value equal to the sum of all of the spell slots that meet the criteria - 0 level spells counting as 1/2 level, with final fractions being dropped. The caster no longer memorizes specific spells within the pool, but instead can cast spells that he knows spontaneously, each time subtracting the spell level of the desired spell from the pool. This pool is also used to provide spell levels to mitigate epic spells, with the limitation that he cannot pull more spell levels from the pool at one time than twice the value of his highest level slot. The pool is replenished fulled at the same time that the caster renews his higher level spell slots.</p><p></p><p>For example, a Wizard 21 of Int 24 who takes this feat no longer memorizes cantrips, 1st level, or 2nd level spells. His pool is 22 spell levels (4x0.5 + 6x1 + 6x2). If he chooses to cast a second level spell, the pool will drop to have 20 levels remaining. If he then casts an epic spell that requires burning 10 spell levels, it drops to have 10 levels remaining.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Upper level impact:</p><p>This discussion is targetted at levels 20 to 40, so let's consider a level 40 wizard. He's taken ISC as often as he can (21,24,27,30,33,36,39), and now has slots up to 16th level. He can cast spells of 6th level at will spontaneously - allowing him to teleport at will (just like a outsider of a CR one-quarter his own). He has a spell pool in the neighborhood of 113 spell levels, which he uses to cast 7th and 8th level spells. He can burn a maximum of 32 spell levels out of his pool to fuel each epic spell.</p><p></p><p>Extensions:</p><p>Further feats might allow use of the pool to add metamagic effects, perhaps at a two-for-one exchange rate - spontanteously quickening for 8 spell levels, for instance. The concept is fluid enough to allow such feats to be tuned without the bulky stratifications of spell levels.</p><p></p><p></p><p>thoughts?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Greybar, post: 3106930, member: 4938"] [b]thought from the morning commute[/b] This going to seem to start off as an non-Epic Magic thing, but it comes back to it, I promise. Bookkeeping. The bane of many players, particularly at high levels. Do really care what orisons my 35th level cleric has memorized? If my 35th level wizard wants to sit in his library and use mage-hand to retrieve books from the shelves all day long, doesn't that fit the storytelling level of his power? When my blessed saint of the faith walks down the streets, I want healing and blessings to pour forth from his touch effortlessly. Similarly, do 3rd level spell slots even really matter when epic spellcasters face off? They're hardly worth buffing time. They're just a drag on the system. Now we had a proposal earlier that epic casters should be able to burn lower spell levels slots to mitigate epic spells. At least then they're useful for something. But I have to juggle my numbers - do I still have a 3rd and two 2nd level slots free? Does my epic spell have to specify exactly what lower levels that comes from, and become useless if I accidentially cast one too many 4th level spells? So... Additional Benefit 1: When you select this feat, spells of a level 10 lower than the newly gained slot become castable at will, as a Spell-Like Ability. All spells known to the caster are available under this ability, without need for memorization. Indeed, the caster no longer memorizes these spells at all. Thus a wizard21 who takes this feat no longer memorizes cantrips (0 level spells), and can cast any cantrip he knows at will. Additional Benefit 2: When you select this feat, spells of a level 8 or more levels lower than the newly gained slot become pooled. The pool has a value equal to the sum of all of the spell slots that meet the criteria - 0 level spells counting as 1/2 level, with final fractions being dropped. The caster no longer memorizes specific spells within the pool, but instead can cast spells that he knows spontaneously, each time subtracting the spell level of the desired spell from the pool. This pool is also used to provide spell levels to mitigate epic spells, with the limitation that he cannot pull more spell levels from the pool at one time than twice the value of his highest level slot. The pool is replenished fulled at the same time that the caster renews his higher level spell slots. For example, a Wizard 21 of Int 24 who takes this feat no longer memorizes cantrips, 1st level, or 2nd level spells. His pool is 22 spell levels (4x0.5 + 6x1 + 6x2). If he chooses to cast a second level spell, the pool will drop to have 20 levels remaining. If he then casts an epic spell that requires burning 10 spell levels, it drops to have 10 levels remaining. Upper level impact: This discussion is targetted at levels 20 to 40, so let's consider a level 40 wizard. He's taken ISC as often as he can (21,24,27,30,33,36,39), and now has slots up to 16th level. He can cast spells of 6th level at will spontaneously - allowing him to teleport at will (just like a outsider of a CR one-quarter his own). He has a spell pool in the neighborhood of 113 spell levels, which he uses to cast 7th and 8th level spells. He can burn a maximum of 32 spell levels out of his pool to fuel each epic spell. Extensions: Further feats might allow use of the pool to add metamagic effects, perhaps at a two-for-one exchange rate - spontanteously quickening for 8 spell levels, for instance. The concept is fluid enough to allow such feats to be tuned without the bulky stratifications of spell levels. thoughts? [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
Archive Forums
Hosted Forums
Personal & Hosted Forums
Hosted Publisher Forums
Dog Soul Hosted Forum
Epic Magic Big Thread
Top