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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sepulchrave II" data-source="post: 3110408" data-attributes="member: 4303">Re: Liches and TransmogrificationsI think that any transmogrification spell has to be an aggregate: i.e. it must break the normal rules of epic spellcasting. It must be instantaneous - either that, or it will be subject to [Dispel], which might be kind of frustrating.Based on what we've discussed so far, I'd peg a transmogrification something like this:[Polymorph] - the base seed. You're changing into something else.[Life] - a secondary seed. Its duration (instantaneous) is a dominant parameter.[Fortify] - a descriptive seed. You're fortifying/solidifying an effect to make it real.Plus, maybe:[Foresee] - a descriptive seed. You're accurately changing into something which you have a prior conception of.Of course, with a lich [Animate Dead] might be better than [Life] as a secondary seed, but I'm thinking about transmogrifications in general here.This would peg any transmogrification as a base SP 48 effect (assuming we include [Foresee]).As far as assuming a creature with a higher LA goes, we have a number of options:1) The new form sheds as many class levels as necessary to balance the new ECL with the old. If your 30th-level elven bard transmogrifies into a lillend, she becomes a 17th-level lillend bard.2) We institute an LA buyback system (c.f. Unearthed Arcana)3) The character incurs a flat XP debt which must be paid before he or she can advance.I think that each of the above might have merit in different circumstances, and that a combination of these options might also be possible in certain circumstances. There might need to be different break-points for the various options. Unfortunately, this is the kind of hard mechanics that makes me go "uh?"</blockquote>

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