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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cheiromancer" data-source="post: 3111073" data-attributes="member: 141">Thank-you!  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />   I think I'm doing some good work today.Sep, a few things:re: TransmorgrificationSo your aggregate approach says that a 21st level wizard can make himself into a worm-that-walks at USP 74, and the 2*KR method comes out to USP 73?  The closeness of the numbers is gratifiying. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />re: Holy AuraI had to take a *really* generous approach to costing holy aura before I could get it to come out as an 8th level spell:[sblock=A post hoc rationale showing Holy Aura to be only 8th level]Standard action to cast.  V.S. components, and a 500 gp focus.  20 ft. burst centered on you, 1 creature/level, 1 round/level, they all get +4 deflection bonus to AC, a +4 resistance bonus to AC, SR 25 vs evil spells and spells cast by evil creatures, warded against possession and mental influence like protection from evil, and evil creatures who attack a protected creature has to make a fortitude save or be blinded.Basically it's like two applications of the [fortify] seed, each with the following factors:*duration reduced 3 steps (hours => 10s => minutes => rounds) for -6;*touch to personal -2; *area effect +6;*selective 1 creature/level in area +6; (these last two are based on CLW => Mass CLW)Total: +4*SR 36 is 24, so SR 25 should be 13; only effective against evil would be maybe a -6 factor; so +7 +4 = 11 * A +12 enhancement bonus to natural armor is 24, and +4 would be 8, +4 would be 12  (resistance bonus instead of enhancement bonus to natural armor... no cost)Then there's the blindness effect.  SP 24 -4 (1 fewer sense afflicted) -8 range (from long to touch), +4 for contingency blindness (on those who strike warded creatures), +4 for unlimited uses (instead of once per protected creature).  -6 because the blindness only affects evil attackers.  +10 for touch to personal, area effect, selective 1 creature/level (-2 +6+6).  Running total is +24.  Too high.  Suppose the duration of the blindness isn't permanent, but only lasts 1 round/level.  Could permanent => 20 rounds/level be a -18 factor?  10,000 years => 1,000 years => 1 century => 10 years => 10 months => 20 days => 20 hours => 200 minutes => 20 minutes  => 20 rounds is 9 steps, at -2 per step would be -18.  Let's go for it; the cost for the blindness effect is +6 SP.A Protection from evil is SP 6, make it 2 since only one function of 3 is present; add +10 for duration, area and selective factors (-2 + 6 + 6) (minutes to rounds, touch to personal, area effect, selective targets.)  +12 SP.  So I'm getting 4 different spells, with SP costs of 11, 12, 6 and 12.  Take one of the +12s as a basis (4th level spell); add the rest (29 SP) at 6 SP per (real) spell level, and you get something just shy of a 9th level spell.  Round down, and throw in an expensive focus component to ease your conscience.[/sblock]Though it seems bogus (and indicates holy aura is almost a 9th level spell), I wonder if this method actually gives the right answer in the general case.  If you had 10 effects, each of them SP 6, the Holy Aura argument would say that the conglomeration would be a 10th level spell (1st level spell plus 54 SP at 6 SP/spell level), i.e. SP 24.  Likewise for a conglomeration of four SP 12 effects; SP 12 is a 4th level spell, plus 36 SP at 6 SP/spell level is 10.  Or two SP 18 effects; SP 18 is a 7th level spell, plus 18 SP at 6 SP/spell level is 10 again.And permanent effects are really 10,000 years long.Hmmm.  All useful results; though I can't quite get to the aggregate rules from where I am, I feel I am getting closer.A feat that benefits a single seed gives about 40 SP worth of benefits, right?  So a cleric who takes a feat to "unlock" a seed would get full access plus about 20 SP worth of other benefits?  Or about 1/2 what an arcane caster gets when he takes a feat.  Or one feat could unlock 2 seeds but do nothing else.  Or partial (50%) access to about 4 feats.Actually, that sounds about right.  Although there are lots of seeds, I don't think clerics will ever need to access more than a handful of them.  Their initial allotment plus a feat to get another 1 or 2, or selective access to 3 or 4 more.  I can't imagine them spending more than 1 or 2 feats to get access to other seeds.</blockquote>

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