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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sepulchrave II" data-source="post: 3125020" data-attributes="member: 4303">As I've mentioned previously, flexibility is being measured on a number of levels, here; there is an essential difference, as seeds can cause effects that metamagicked conventional spells cannot. Penetrating immunities, the scope of many seeds ([call] etc.). There is also overlap, of course. Maybe not apples and oranges; certainly apples and pears. Surely that is one of the points of epic magic - to address contingencies that conventional magic cannot?In theory, yes. I submit that measuring power and flexibility in seeds is our greatest challenge, however.Yes.I think that this is stating the correspondance too starkly. I am reluctant to go further than to say "the pattern of metamagic informs the structure of factors." I think to tightly constrain ourselves to the framework of metamagic will ultimately prove inhibiting to creativity, and epic magic.I am having huge reservations about AMC for a whole variety of (sometimes contradictory) reasons. In brief, these are:<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">I seriously doubt its balance at low epic levels. It may scale 'robustly' from level 30 onwards, but the massive access to free spontaneous metamagic which occurs from levels 24 to 29 may be too much.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">I have never personally seen it in play.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">It is unplaytested to any meaningful degree. I mean no disrespect to U_K (he has produced some outstanding work), but he is ultimately a game theorist, not a gamer.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">I am sceptical about tying it to epic spellcasting in any fashion, and concerned that my previous acceptance of it as a potential mitigating factor was a mistake - although, if I recall, that was IM, not AMC.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">I am extremely reluctant to use it as a benchmark; it may be useful as an  external reference point, but not the internal fulcrum upon which the progression of epic magic is predicated.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Like you pointed out, it's kind of boring.  </li> </ul>I do think that AMC is preferable to the ELH alternative. I am far from sold on it, however.</blockquote>

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