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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sepulchrave II" data-source="post: 3132889" data-attributes="member: 4303">I dunno. I think that KR is preferable at epic levels; but KR 11 seems weak for a Marut (16 x 2/3); CR 15 is way too high. I'd peg them at the half-way point - CR 13 - and call them weak for their challenge level. Don't know about beholders - KR unavailable (non OGL): I'm too lazy to do the math. Also, I've never used them, as I've always thought they were kinda goofy. Off the bat, I'd say they were a solid CR13.KR 24 seems strong for a mature red. Maybe there is a slightly sketchy zone in the KR ratings (around CR 15-22); this would parallel the rapid escalation in PC effectiveness  between levels 15 and 20. Maybe dragons are just enigmatic.That aside, I think I'd prefer to retain the +2SP/CR progression if possible; I'm not convinced that SLAs are such a big deal - shapechange madness notwithstanding. As you've pointed out, the opportunity cost of being unable to cast spells is massive at these levels. As a player, I don't know that [polymorph] would necessarily be an attractive option to me in any case, and I'd prefer not to curtail it too strictly. If restrictions now exist on the SLAs of assumed forms in spells from the new subschool (they didn't before), I think that lifting any restriction would be a suitable 'epic benefit' of the seed. Maybe CR15 base at SP24 (200 min/1200ft), +2SP/CR. As a 20-round, personal, swift-action spell (swift at only +4 for [polymorph]), the caster could assume the form of a single specific creature of up to CR 20, SLAs and all.</blockquote>

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