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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cheiromancer" data-source="post: 3141610" data-attributes="member: 141">You can't quintuply enhance the spell; or rather you could, but it would be a waste; the base damage can't be higher than the caster level.  Still, a triply enhanced septuply empowered dbf (using a 9th level slot) would do 225d6, which is higher than our goal of 200d6. At least it's *my* goal; you haven't endorsed it yet.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />  But if it were only sextuply enhanced it would hit the goal of 200d6 on the dot.  Surely we can tempt him to take two fewer AMCs, can't we?  Making Enhance a stackable general feat would make things worse; right now it takes 6 AMCs to triply enhance the dbf.  That's a commitment of 7 slots: six AMCs plus the slot for Enhance.  If he could take 3 general feats instead, that would free up 4 AMCs that could be used to pay for two more empowers.A 50th level jacobean generalist can manage SP 54, and (using my proposed seed) 11SP worth of internal mitigation for 65SP total.  20d6 base (24SP) + 21d6 (21SP) + double empower (20SP) = 82d6 of damage.  About 40% of a pretty dedicated metamagic specialist.  If he could use AMC, he would have 97SP to use on [blasts].  E.g. 20d6 base (24SP) + 33d6 (33SP) + quadruple empowered (40SP) = 159d6.  80% of the comparable metamagic specialist.With 16 "goalpost" feats (at 4SP each) he'd have 129SP to play with.  Say 20d6 base (24SP) + 55d6(105SP) + quintuple empower (50SP) for 262d6.  That's 31% more than the metamagic specialist with 16 AMC.  I don't remember if the Goalpost feats were proxies for HotE or not; if a HotE build is more than about 20SP more than this (340d6) then the result may be unsatisfactory.Will this do, or does it need more tinkering?  These characters are pretty specialized; normal characters would do less damage with each spell but be more versatile; more spells per day and epic crafting feats and leadership and such.</blockquote>

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