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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Marshall" data-source="post: 351312" data-attributes="member: 765">See this thread(very long) :<a href="http://pub58.ezboard.com/fokayyourturnfrm13.showMessage?topicID=2421.topic" target="_blank">http://pub58.ezboard.com/fokayyourturnfrm13.showMessage?topicID=2421.topic</a>The sage gets in at the end, but just long enough to quote "The Rule That Doesn't Exist"Cloudgatherer : The example under Maximize is there to allow the stacking of Max and Emp. Without it the two feats dont work together. A maximized spell no longer has the 'variable numeric effect' empower needs to function.Vecna : You still dont have it right.10d6 Fireball+30d6 Enhance+40d6 Energy Admix= 960 Intensified(if you do it right)or 40d6+480(if you follow "The Rule That Doesn't Exist")x2 Twinned(if you do it right)or +40d6 Twinned(if you follow "The Rule That Doesn't Exist")For final tallys of 1920(2 Reflex saves against 1st and 2nd Twin)(if you do it right)or 40d6+480(ref 1/2)+40d6(ref 1/2)(if you follow "The Rule That Doesn't Exist")AFAICT, the current reading of Enhance is the rule, not the exception.  Bolstered by the fact that its not pointed to as an exception and that little point by Saeviomagy and a hundred similar ones in the thread above....</blockquote>