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<blockquote data-quote="Azzy" data-source="post: 8056908" data-attributes="member: 6563">Oh, it gets even muddier than that. Much of the modern (and early modern) concept of Lucifer/The Devil is not very Biblical at all. Expanding on what you said, &quot;satan&quot; is the general term for an &quot;accuser&quot; or &quot;adversary&quot;. The first few times we see a supernatural entity that is associated with the word &quot;satan&quot; are from Numbers 22 (where an Angel of Yawheh is described as a &quot;satan&quot;) and in 1 Chronichles&nbsp; 21 describes a satan that is sent to cause a pestilent (the narrative also occurs in 2 Samuel 24 where the term &quot;satan&quot; is not used, and the entity is simply an &quot;Angel of Yahweh&quot;). I think it's in Job 1 that this gets escalated and one of the &quot;sons of God&quot; is referred to as &quot;The Satan&quot; (note the definite article), who then convinces God to torment Job as a test of faith (playing the role of a divine prosecutor). In Zechariah 3, The Satan reprises his role as a divine prosecutor. The idea of The Satan being an agent of evil that is opposed to God appeared later, during/after the exile in Persia.&quot;Lucifer&quot; is a bit of an odd duck. For one, it isn't even a Hebrew word (it's Latin) and first appears in the Latin Vulgate's translation of Isaiah. The original Hebrew word that is translated as &quot;lucifer&quot; (note the lack of capitalization) is &quot;heyel&quot; (which means &quot;shining one&quot;) and isn't so much of a proper noun that it is appellation. It is used in the phase &quot;Oh, shining one, son of the morning&quot; (&quot;son of the morning&quot; being a reference to the planet Venus, the morning star—hence the translation to Lucifer in the Latin Vulgate). It context, it is used to mock the king of Babylon forming a narrative of the king having been so great, but because of his hubris he has been brought low. It wasn't until the late 2nd century, that the early Christian scholar, Origen, reinterpreted this passage (and a similar passage in Ezekiel that dresses down the king of Tyre) as referring to a supernatural entity rather than the mortal kings that the eponymous prophets were actually mocking. Even then, it was only later that the word &quot;lucifer&quot; began to be used as a name for the Devil.TL/DR: Lucifer wasn't always the devil you know.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Azzy, post: 8056908, member: 6563"] Oh, it gets even muddier than that. Much of the modern (and early modern) concept of Lucifer/The Devil is not very Biblical at all. Expanding on what you said, "satan" is the general term for an "accuser" or "adversary". The first few times we see a supernatural entity that is associated with the word "satan" are from Numbers 22 (where an Angel of Yawheh is described as a "satan") and in 1 Chronichles 21 describes a satan that is sent to cause a pestilent (the narrative also occurs in 2 Samuel 24 where the term "satan" is not used, and the entity is simply an "Angel of Yahweh"). I think it's in Job 1 that this gets escalated and one of the "sons of God" is referred to as "The Satan" (note the definite article), who then convinces God to torment Job as a test of faith (playing the role of a divine prosecutor). In Zechariah 3, The Satan reprises his role as a divine prosecutor. The idea of The Satan being an agent of evil that is opposed to God appeared later, during/after the exile in Persia. "Lucifer" is a bit of an odd duck. For one, it isn't even a Hebrew word (it's Latin) and first appears in the Latin Vulgate's translation of Isaiah. The original Hebrew word that is translated as "lucifer" (note the lack of capitalization) is "heyel" (which means "shining one") and isn't so much of a proper noun that it is appellation. It is used in the phase "Oh, shining one, son of the morning" ("son of the morning" being a reference to the planet Venus, the morning star—hence the translation to Lucifer in the Latin Vulgate). It context, it is used to mock the king of Babylon forming a narrative of the king having been so great, but because of his hubris he has been brought low. It wasn't until the late 2nd century, that the early Christian scholar, Origen, reinterpreted this passage (and a similar passage in Ezekiel that dresses down the king of Tyre) as referring to a supernatural entity rather than the mortal kings that the eponymous prophets were actually mocking. Even then, it was only later that the word "lucifer" began to be used as a name for the Devil. TL/DR: Lucifer wasn't always the devil you know. [/QUOTE]

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