Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.
Rocket your D&D 5E and Level Up: Advanced 5E games into space! Alpha Star Magazine Is Launching... Right Now!
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*TTRPGs General
Epic Players/DMs: Do you use epic spellcasting?
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="ruleslawyer" data-source="post: 2863274" data-attributes="member: 1757"><p>Try here:</p><p></p><p><a href="http://community.dicefreaks.com/viewtopic.php?t=2153" target="_blank">http://community.dicefreaks.com/viewtopic.php?t=2153</a></p><p></p><p>That thread actually has a *lot* of interesting discussion on epic spellcasting.</p><p></p><p>I think there's a vast gulf between "potentially abusable, but only if the DM really isn't paying attention" to "abuse-prone <em>unless</em> the DM constantly asserts control." ES falls under the latter category, IMHO. </p><p></p><p>The problem here is perhaps with the D&D spellcasting philosophy in general. Rather than using a flexible, Ars Magica (or Elements of Magic Revised) -style "design your own spell" system, D&D evaluates spells based on the power of the finished product. On the one hand, that's a bonus, since the finished product can be balanced rather straightforwardly against other finished products. On the other hand, the system is therefore a tad inflexible. However, D&D magic is also extremely potent, even compared with alternatives like Ars Magica. The problem with Epic Spellcasting is that it combines the potency of D&D baseline magic with the means of extending that potency tremendously via flexible design and modification. </p><p></p><p>I think the best revision approach would be something like an uncapped Elements of Magic: Mythic Earth system that incorporates everything from 0th-infinite level, with a suggested cap for non-epic games. But that's wishful thinking, unless the ENPubs people feel like writing it...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ruleslawyer, post: 2863274, member: 1757"] Try here: [url]http://community.dicefreaks.com/viewtopic.php?t=2153[/url] That thread actually has a *lot* of interesting discussion on epic spellcasting. I think there's a vast gulf between "potentially abusable, but only if the DM really isn't paying attention" to "abuse-prone [i]unless[/i] the DM constantly asserts control." ES falls under the latter category, IMHO. The problem here is perhaps with the D&D spellcasting philosophy in general. Rather than using a flexible, Ars Magica (or Elements of Magic Revised) -style "design your own spell" system, D&D evaluates spells based on the power of the finished product. On the one hand, that's a bonus, since the finished product can be balanced rather straightforwardly against other finished products. On the other hand, the system is therefore a tad inflexible. However, D&D magic is also extremely potent, even compared with alternatives like Ars Magica. The problem with Epic Spellcasting is that it combines the potency of D&D baseline magic with the means of extending that potency tremendously via flexible design and modification. I think the best revision approach would be something like an uncapped Elements of Magic: Mythic Earth system that incorporates everything from 0th-infinite level, with a suggested cap for non-epic games. But that's wishful thinking, unless the ENPubs people feel like writing it... [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*TTRPGs General
Epic Players/DMs: Do you use epic spellcasting?
Top