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Message: <blockquote data-quote="paradox42" data-source="post: 2866758" data-attributes="member: 29746">In my Epic game, we both are and aren't using the Epic spellcasting rules. First, the "aren't" part: my campaign features a 3E-updated version of rules I made for using spells above 9th level in the 2nd Edition version of this same world. Among other things, it relies on requiring a list of specific prerequisite spells to learn any "ultraspell," as well as spending a feat to learn each one, and the caster takes ability damage and an XP cost with every casting. That said, "ultraspells" are designed to be considerably more powerful than what an Epic spell using the official system is capable of doing at the same level, so players seem generally more keen on trying those than Epic.One player, though, wanted to try the Epic system for the buff potential. As ruleslawyer mentioned, it lets buffs become almost absurdly cheap, and once the character got her "Aura of Glory" spell (+16 to CHA for 20 hours) she gave away her Cloak of Epic CHA to the party Bard and never looked back. She's been working on some other effects recently, but the research costs (particularly XP and time costs) are proving exceptionally annoying for her- this party does not willingly take down time often.</blockquote>