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<blockquote data-quote="Jemal" data-source="post: 3378816" data-attributes="member: 9026">Making Dragon's as characters is simple, just figure out your racial stat mods as Shayuri pointed out,&nbsp; Then use the Monsters Manual to figure out the class Skills for your dragon type.&nbsp; Everything you'ld need is in the normal books, it's just like playing any other monster race.&nbsp; The Draconomicon has advanced details and options, but is not required.&nbsp; And no, when he levels up he can choose either a Dragon HD with all the associated bonuses (BAB, Saves, Skills, and if he has enough HD to hit a new 'age category', the new age's ability mods and powers) OR add a class level which does not count towards his dragon age categories.OH, my bad.. there are a few other things based off HD, though they're from the MM, I'll just point them out for simplicity.&nbsp; Dragons have Natural armour equal to 1 less than their Dragon HD.&nbsp;&nbsp; Also, Breath weapon and Save DC's are HD based (See the first section of the Dragon, True entry in the MM for detalis.)&nbsp; Everything else is based off Age Category.Shayuri - An old hold on the Prime would not be available, b/c the Ban has existed longer than you, what with you being only a few hundred years old.&nbsp; You ARE marked, though until just now nobody knew that meant you could go into the Prime.Pallandrome - I guess the contract is OK, then.&nbsp; It breaks down to essentially a Faustian pact, right?&nbsp; &quot;I give you my soul in exchange for this&quot; or &quot;I bet my soul against this..&quot;I don't see it playing too large of a roll in the game, but flavour = good.Ivellious, We screwed up on your Dragon cohort a bit.. BY my calculations, it's 30(Level), +8 Cha, +2 Great Renown, + 1 Special Power for a total of 41 Leadership Score, giving you a 25th level cohort.. That would be a Young Adult, 20HD dragon..&nbsp; I think the problem was that when I posted My examples, I was assuming people would have leadership scores high enough to get the max level Cohort (28).&nbsp; If you want more, you'ld have to up your leadership score(probably through Charisma).&nbsp; On the PLUS side, though, your dragon DOES gain Bonus HD from being your Special Mount... 8d8 (With con mod) and Bonus BAB, saves, Skills, and Feats (As per Dragon HD).&nbsp; These are NOT 'dragon HD' though, and do not give other dragon bonuses (Breath Weapon, Size increase, Age category, etc, etc).Also, per Legendary Commander... It's not useless at all.. How many of your followers are either Epic or Outsiders?&nbsp; Probably not many (If any).. therefore you could send every single one of them into the Prime if you REALLY wanted.&nbsp; They're not affected by the Ban.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Jemal, post: 3378816, member: 9026"] Making Dragon's as characters is simple, just figure out your racial stat mods as Shayuri pointed out, Then use the Monsters Manual to figure out the class Skills for your dragon type. Everything you'ld need is in the normal books, it's just like playing any other monster race. The Draconomicon has advanced details and options, but is not required. And no, when he levels up he can choose either a Dragon HD with all the associated bonuses (BAB, Saves, Skills, and if he has enough HD to hit a new 'age category', the new age's ability mods and powers) OR add a class level which does not count towards his dragon age categories. OH, my bad.. there are a few other things based off HD, though they're from the MM, I'll just point them out for simplicity. Dragons have Natural armour equal to 1 less than their Dragon HD. Also, Breath weapon and Save DC's are HD based (See the first section of the Dragon, True entry in the MM for detalis.) Everything else is based off Age Category. Shayuri - An old hold on the Prime would not be available, b/c the Ban has existed longer than you, what with you being only a few hundred years old. You ARE marked, though until just now nobody knew that meant you could go into the Prime. Pallandrome - I guess the contract is OK, then. It breaks down to essentially a Faustian pact, right? "I give you my soul in exchange for this" or "I bet my soul against this.." I don't see it playing too large of a roll in the game, but flavour = good. Ivellious, We screwed up on your Dragon cohort a bit.. BY my calculations, it's 30(Level), +8 Cha, +2 Great Renown, + 1 Special Power for a total of 41 Leadership Score, giving you a 25th level cohort.. That would be a Young Adult, 20HD dragon.. I think the problem was that when I posted My examples, I was assuming people would have leadership scores high enough to get the max level Cohort (28). If you want more, you'ld have to up your leadership score(probably through Charisma). On the PLUS side, though, your dragon DOES gain Bonus HD from being your Special Mount... 8d8 (With con mod) and Bonus BAB, saves, Skills, and Feats (As per Dragon HD). These are NOT 'dragon HD' though, and do not give other dragon bonuses (Breath Weapon, Size increase, Age category, etc, etc). Also, per Legendary Commander... It's not useless at all.. How many of your followers are either Epic or Outsiders? Probably not many (If any).. therefore you could send every single one of them into the Prime if you REALLY wanted. They're not affected by the Ban. [/QUOTE]

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