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<blockquote data-quote="azmodean" data-source="post: 2292165" data-attributes="member: 26590">I really don't see where the problem is, a lvl 20 wizard with 20 epic levels of cleric is obviously different from a wizard19/cleric 1 with 19 epic cleric levels and 1 epic wizard level.&nbsp; This &quot;difference&quot; arises because according to the epic rules as written, epic levels are fundamentally different from &quot;normal&quot; class levels.&nbsp; This is the issue I think most people have problems with, including myself, but it arises because the system just isn't written in a way that maintains balance past lvl 20 (some say past lvl 10, but that's another issue entirely)&nbsp; The epic system has problems, but I think it isn't nearly as bad as the most obvious alternative, continuing normal d20 progression past lvl 20 (lvl 30 fighter with bab of +30/+25/+20/+15/+10/+5, and that's before any of the special things that allow extra attacks, yikes)In conclusion, yes, the epic system is a kludge, but I really haven't seen anything that handles epic-level d20 better than the system as written (with juditious tweaks, same as the rest of the d20 system)Concerning re-allocating class levels, I allow it in many circumstances, but not for swapping around epic and non-epic levels to get better bonuses out of the mix.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="azmodean, post: 2292165, member: 26590"] I really don't see where the problem is, a lvl 20 wizard with 20 epic levels of cleric is obviously different from a wizard19/cleric 1 with 19 epic cleric levels and 1 epic wizard level. This "difference" arises because according to the epic rules as written, epic levels are fundamentally different from "normal" class levels. This is the issue I think most people have problems with, including myself, but it arises because the system just isn't written in a way that maintains balance past lvl 20 (some say past lvl 10, but that's another issue entirely) The epic system has problems, but I think it isn't nearly as bad as the most obvious alternative, continuing normal d20 progression past lvl 20 (lvl 30 fighter with bab of +30/+25/+20/+15/+10/+5, and that's before any of the special things that allow extra attacks, yikes) In conclusion, yes, the epic system is a kludge, but I really haven't seen anything that handles epic-level d20 better than the system as written (with juditious tweaks, same as the rest of the d20 system) Concerning re-allocating class levels, I allow it in many circumstances, but not for swapping around epic and non-epic levels to get better bonuses out of the mix. [/QUOTE]

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