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<blockquote data-quote="Denaes" data-source="post: 2641027" data-attributes="member: 33738"><p>Higher level characters, without magic or items - just with their own ever increasing skill and ability - become more and more superhuman. By the time you even hit level 20, you've got characters who are more potentially more skilled than anyone on earth and can do things that would set new bars in the Guiniss books of world records. Just the average high level party. </p><p></p><p>So, saying that they've left human ability behind in the dust before level 20, what happens when you're further skilled? Nothing? Because puny humans of reality can't do it?</p><p></p><p>Maybe the problem isn't with what Epic level characters can do, but instead with what you expect from Epic level characters. </p><p></p><p>I expect that Epic level characters are reaching further and further from what human capability is. </p><p></p><p>And people are still saying that many of the skill DCs like 100 and 150 most likely won't get hit without special boosters. So then what is the problem?</p><p></p><p>If you have a 65th level character with enough skill to hit a 100dc, then we're not playing in the realm of normal human ability. </p><p></p><p>If you have a 25th level character who is using magic items & spells & psionics & whatever else to hit a DC100, then whats the problem? You don't mind magic/psi/whatever, just when humans can do it by themselves. </p><p></p><p>Personally I have a problem with the Skill system not giving enough "more than human" bang for the price. Contested skills aside, most of the skills don't really do anything other than hit their DC. And once you can hit the highest DC, why keep buying ranks in the skill? In case the GM makes up a new rank of inhumanly insane DC difficulty?</p><p></p><p>Like that game Iron Heros, I think you should be able to make your skill do extra things at the cost of a higher DC. So, I think having higher DC ranks in the Epic book is a good thing in my eyes. </p><p></p><p>It gives me an idea of what inhumanly skilled characters are capable of.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Denaes, post: 2641027, member: 33738"] Higher level characters, without magic or items - just with their own ever increasing skill and ability - become more and more superhuman. By the time you even hit level 20, you've got characters who are more potentially more skilled than anyone on earth and can do things that would set new bars in the Guiniss books of world records. Just the average high level party. So, saying that they've left human ability behind in the dust before level 20, what happens when you're further skilled? Nothing? Because puny humans of reality can't do it? Maybe the problem isn't with what Epic level characters can do, but instead with what you expect from Epic level characters. I expect that Epic level characters are reaching further and further from what human capability is. And people are still saying that many of the skill DCs like 100 and 150 most likely won't get hit without special boosters. So then what is the problem? If you have a 65th level character with enough skill to hit a 100dc, then we're not playing in the realm of normal human ability. If you have a 25th level character who is using magic items & spells & psionics & whatever else to hit a DC100, then whats the problem? You don't mind magic/psi/whatever, just when humans can do it by themselves. Personally I have a problem with the Skill system not giving enough "more than human" bang for the price. Contested skills aside, most of the skills don't really do anything other than hit their DC. And once you can hit the highest DC, why keep buying ranks in the skill? In case the GM makes up a new rank of inhumanly insane DC difficulty? Like that game Iron Heros, I think you should be able to make your skill do extra things at the cost of a higher DC. So, I think having higher DC ranks in the Epic book is a good thing in my eyes. It gives me an idea of what inhumanly skilled characters are capable of. [/QUOTE]
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