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<blockquote data-quote="Imban" data-source="post: 2924494" data-attributes="member: 29206">That's a dodgy interpretation anyway, since epic spells aren't actually 10th-level spells, just treated as them for purposes of spell-level-dependent effects.This doesn't include being able to cast them, since you can't memorize epic spells in your 10th-level spell slots, so I don't really see you being able to imitate them as they have &quot;no fixed level&quot; for those sorts of effects.But anyway, since this is a homebrew, you could just specifically say &quot;and no duplicating Epic spells with this, you cad&quot;.((Also, check out the Shadow seed in Lost Empires of Faerun. You can make a spell quite like this using the Shadow seed, if you don't mind it being made out of shadowstuff.))EDIT: I checked out the Shadow seed myself. It's a _lot_ more difficult to cast the same spell, and you get a Will save to disbelieve in addition to the other effects. An &quot;unlimited Wish&quot; to cast any spell of 9th level or below has a base spellcraft DC of 23 (base) + 14 (duplicate spells from any school) + 10 (duplicate either arcane or divine) + 40 (duplicate any spell of up to 9th level) = 87 before additional factors/mitigating factors are applied.You seem to not be using the appropriate logic for epic spell seeds. I'd recommend one that had a base DC of 26 (as Limited Wish) but only let you duplicate first-level spells that are either arcane or divine, with an additional +10 to allow for arcane and divine duplication, +7 per level above first, +10 to allow casting of schools you are prohibited in. That'd make a Wish for Anything be a spellcraft DC 26 + 10 + 56 = 92, which is just about in line with how it is better than a Shadow Wish for Anything.EDIT 2: I also meant to say what that logic seemed to be. Basically, they seem to take the base seed DC from the weakest version of that spell, but the numeric variables start off at the weakest the spell could possibly be and still resemble that sort of spell at all. So a Miracle-ish spell would take the base DC from Limited Wish, but start its power off at &quot;able to duplicate 1st-level spells&quot;.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Imban, post: 2924494, member: 29206"] That's a dodgy interpretation anyway, since epic spells aren't [b]actually[/b] 10th-level spells, just treated as them for purposes of spell-level-dependent effects. This doesn't include being able to cast them, since you can't memorize epic spells in your 10th-level spell slots, so I don't really see you being able to imitate them as they have "no fixed level" for those sorts of effects. But anyway, since this is a homebrew, you could just specifically say "and no duplicating Epic spells with this, you cad". ((Also, check out the Shadow seed in Lost Empires of Faerun. You can make a spell quite like this using the Shadow seed, if you don't mind it being made out of shadowstuff.)) EDIT: I checked out the Shadow seed myself. It's a _lot_ more difficult to cast the same spell, and you get a Will save to disbelieve in addition to the other effects. An "unlimited Wish" to cast any spell of 9th level or below has a base spellcraft DC of 23 (base) + 14 (duplicate spells from any school) + 10 (duplicate either arcane or divine) + 40 (duplicate any spell of up to 9th level) = 87 before additional factors/mitigating factors are applied. You seem to not be using the appropriate logic for epic spell seeds. I'd recommend one that had a base DC of 26 (as Limited Wish) but only let you duplicate first-level spells that are either arcane or divine, with an additional +10 to allow for arcane and divine duplication, +7 per level above first, +10 to allow casting of schools you are prohibited in. That'd make a Wish for Anything be a spellcraft DC 26 + 10 + 56 = 92, which is just about in line with how it is better than a Shadow Wish for Anything. EDIT 2: I also meant to say what that logic seemed to be. Basically, they seem to take the base seed DC from the weakest version of that spell, but the numeric variables start off at the weakest the spell could possibly be and still resemble that sort of spell at all. So a Miracle-ish spell would take the base DC from Limited Wish, but start its power off at "able to duplicate 1st-level spells". [/QUOTE]

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