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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sepulchrave II" data-source="post: 1276189" data-attributes="member: 4303">How about factors?If we're dealing with smaller numbers, then these need to be changed to accomodate. There is already a correlation with spell level as far as the seeds go - slay is 7 etc. Equivalent metamagics are easy to work out:No verbal component: +1 (silent)No somatic component: +1 (still)Increase spell's save DC by +1: +1 (heightened)Increase range by 100%: +1 (enlarged)Increase duration by 100%: +1 (extended)Increase area by 100%: +3 (widened)Assuming that a base casting time of 1 minute is retained for all epic spells, I'd also tentatively suggest the following:Reduce casting time to 1 round: +4Reduce casting time to 1 action: +5Quickened spell: +8 (quickened from 1 action)Add extra target: +4 (twinned? split ray seems more appropriate, though)Gain +1 on caster level check: +1 (applies to both overcoming SR and beating foe's dispel effect.)Increase damage die by one step: +2 (empowered. kind of. I'm pretty dubious about this one)</blockquote>