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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cheiromancer" data-source="post: 1277047" data-attributes="member: 141">Combining seeds in epic spellcasting isn't very subtle.  You just glom them together.For instance, fireball is a third level spell that does 10d6.  That's worth 3 ESS. Want 30d6?  Add 3 of them together.  Glom, gglom, lom.  9 ESS.  Double Widen?  +3 and +3 spell levels.  Glom, glom.  15 ESS.Casting time.  I think that the seed for fireball should take one action to cast- that's what fireball takes, after all.  But I don't think that fireball+fireball+fireball+widen+widen should take one action.  It takes a sorcerer a bit longer to combine a spell with a feat; epic combinations should be tricky to glom together.  I'd say when you have multiple components the casting time is one full round per component, and each +1 ESS reduces the time by 1 round down down to 1 full round, 1 more reduces it to a standard action, and 4 more makes it a quickened action.  So that epic fireball needs an extra +5 ESS to make it a standard action to cast.  So the final cost to cast a 30d6 fireball with a 60 ft radius as a standard action is 20 ESS.This corresponds to a 20th level spell, so using spellcraft you'd double, take away 1, and add to a base of 10.  So Spellcraft DC = 48 (if you did it that way).I suspect Empower and Maximize are too efficient at epic levels.  I don't think we should include them.  And as a rule of thumb I would recommend against allowing a spell to do more damage in a round than the caster has levels.  So you'd have to be 30th level to cast a 30d6 epic fireball.Though backlash damage might allow one to exceed conventional limits....How about really big spell effects?  Like a fireball with a 2 mile radius.  I'm going to have to study Rain of Fire more closely, and see if it can be reduced to a 1 round duration...</blockquote>

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