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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cheiromancer" data-source="post: 1277898" data-attributes="member: 141">Absolutely.  I found myself wondering why Rain of Fire did 1 point of damage per round.  Why not 1/minute?  Or 1d6/round?  Then I tried to do some calculations based on exposure damage... no luck.There are apocalyptic type spells in the BoVD and (I think) in the BXD.  I wonder if there are some similarities that be can be used to derive epic rules for such things.Good point about the base-line. I'm not sure if "personal" is the right default for range.  Besides the weirdness of making slay and raise dead personal, Summon Monster and Planar Binding are big candidates in my mind for potential seeds.  Maybe Touch range would be better? But I like the idea of converting benchmark spells to seeds with common parameters.  I think the idea works especially well with casting time: Most spells have a 1 action casting time, so changing to 1 minute weakens all of those spells more or less equally.  I thus recommend that spells with 1 action casting times should be preferred when deciding what spells are the benchmark for spell seeds: for example, Vision should be the basis of a divination seed instead of Legend Lore or Identify.  If all similar spells have a longer casting time, the corresponding seed should be increased, perhaps as if the factors were applied in reverse.  Since Raise Dead has a 1 minute casting time instead of a 1 action casting time, maybe treat it as a 15th level spell for the purpose of spell seeds (20 spellcraft=10 levels).  Actually higher, because of the material component (5000 gp; +2 spell levels?  +1?)  And applying the appropriate factors to the Raise Dead seed should give about the same answer as if we made a seed from Resurrection or True Resurrection.Or perhaps raising the dead is something that can be done easily by epic spells, and so we don't apply any of these adjustments.  That could work too.  Certainly the Life seed in the ELH isn't based on Raise Dead being a 16th level spell!</blockquote>

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