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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hashmalum" data-source="post: 838320" data-attributes="member: 9450">The party in the aforementioned game was fairly low level--IIRC, in the single digits. Mordenkainen's disjunction is a 9th level spell, requiring at least a 17th level wizard to cast it. A party of a high enough level to have a 17th level wizard thrown at them is not one that is going to have the rogue with a maxed Hide skill outclassed by a ring of chameleon power (+15 to Hide checks).In any case, the fact that an item can be destroyed does not mean that it is balanced, because if the item is allowed into the game at all, it can found, purchased, or made again with item creation feats. True, you could continuously throw 17th+ level spellcasters at the party with one Mordenkainen's disjunction spell after another rolling off their tongues, but this would soon get really, really old. Mordenkainen's disjunction also zaps better balanced items just as well as it zaps overpowered junk, so it isn't exactly an optimal solution.Absolutely. And it is equally true that it is the responsibility of the DM to exercise the same oversight of magic items that they do of spells and disallow anything that's going to cause balance problems--like +Spellcraft items in a game using the Epic Level Handbook rules. The difference here is that the overpowered epic spells are easier to hose than overpowered magic items (dispel magic and greater dispelling are lower level and more common as spell-like abilities than Mordenkainen's disjunction). The dispelling spells are also less heavy-handed, as they can be targetted at the specific offending spell rather than indiscriminately zapping the good and the bad alike.</blockquote>

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