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Epic Spells: Caster Level instead of skills?
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<blockquote data-quote="Hashmalum" data-source="post: 854673" data-attributes="member: 9450"><p>I don't think so. For one thing, the epic spellcasting cleric still loses his epic spellcasting ability (along with the rest of his clerical spellcasting ability) if his god becomes angry with him. One of the prereqs for the Epic Spellcasting feat is the "ability to cast 9th level divine spells". A cleric who has been stripped of his clerical spells by his god no longer has the "ability to cast 9th level divine spells". Like any other feat, if you no longer meet the prerequisites you lose the benefit of the feat. I would interpret the paragraph you're quoting here to mean that the caster would retain knowledge of his epic level spells no matter what happens (divine displeasure, energy drain, missing spellbooks, etc.), but not necessarily retain the ability to cast them. For another thing, it would seem rather strange for epic level divine spells to work differently than normal divine spells as far as where their power comes from.</p><p>Doh. Somehow I missed noticing the Simbul's Epic Spellcasting feat when I went through the FR epic NPC section. That still makes little sense, as Elminster has actually participated in an epic magic ritual but the Simbul hasn't. OTOH, the Simbul is a blood relative of Mystra, while Elminster isn't--I guess Mystra's nepotism is more extensive than previously revealed.</p><p>Alustriel doesn't have Epic Spellcasting either, despite the fact that she's another one of the Seven Sisters and meets the requirements--or would, if they gave her one more rank of Knowledge (arcana).</p><p>But that's the funny thing--there isn't any hard and fast rule anywhere saying "thou shalt not take Epic Spellcasting", and the existence of Elven High Mage and the fact that there's no rationalization given for Iyraclea having it would seem to indicate that any PC could become an epic spellcaster as soon as they reach 21st level, if they so choose. Yet despite the fact that it's so easy (relatively speaking), hardly any of the oh-so-powerful NPCs seem to have done it. Like I said, the handling of epic magic in 3E in the Forgotten Realms just sucks.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hashmalum, post: 854673, member: 9450"] I don't think so. For one thing, the epic spellcasting cleric still loses his epic spellcasting ability (along with the rest of his clerical spellcasting ability) if his god becomes angry with him. One of the prereqs for the Epic Spellcasting feat is the "ability to cast 9th level divine spells". A cleric who has been stripped of his clerical spells by his god no longer has the "ability to cast 9th level divine spells". Like any other feat, if you no longer meet the prerequisites you lose the benefit of the feat. I would interpret the paragraph you're quoting here to mean that the caster would retain knowledge of his epic level spells no matter what happens (divine displeasure, energy drain, missing spellbooks, etc.), but not necessarily retain the ability to cast them. For another thing, it would seem rather strange for epic level divine spells to work differently than normal divine spells as far as where their power comes from. Doh. Somehow I missed noticing the Simbul's Epic Spellcasting feat when I went through the FR epic NPC section. That still makes little sense, as Elminster has actually participated in an epic magic ritual but the Simbul hasn't. OTOH, the Simbul is a blood relative of Mystra, while Elminster isn't--I guess Mystra's nepotism is more extensive than previously revealed. Alustriel doesn't have Epic Spellcasting either, despite the fact that she's another one of the Seven Sisters and meets the requirements--or would, if they gave her one more rank of Knowledge (arcana). But that's the funny thing--there isn't any hard and fast rule anywhere saying "thou shalt not take Epic Spellcasting", and the existence of Elven High Mage and the fact that there's no rationalization given for Iyraclea having it would seem to indicate that any PC could become an epic spellcaster as soon as they reach 21st level, if they so choose. Yet despite the fact that it's so easy (relatively speaking), hardly any of the oh-so-powerful NPCs seem to have done it. Like I said, the handling of epic magic in 3E in the Forgotten Realms just sucks. [/QUOTE]
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