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<blockquote data-quote="Zimbel16" data-source="post: 2960014" data-attributes="member: 41600"><p><strong>ELH problems</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p>Note that the SRD has been updated for 3.5. that dosen't mean, however, that most of the below issues are addressed.</p><p></p><p>There actually are a few tricks you can use; for example, you could surround it with Prismatic walls, which are immune to Antimagic (once cast). Simuarly, you could lead one onto a weak structure, and atack the structure far below it (many times, to kill it though falling damage). Or you could keep collapsing the cave above it. But, yes, they are annoying. Note that if you're using the 3.5 update, their DR no longer makes them nearly immune to non-magical (for all practical purposes artifact) weapons.</p><p></p><p>I typically take a mean; for example if there are 100 attacks with a 35% chance of hitting, then I declare 35 hits.</p><p></p><p>By the item creation formulas, it appears that you can get a +30 to spellcraft item for a measly 90,000 GP (or 45,000 GP, 3,600 XP). With a DC of 46, Epic Mage Armor should be pretty easy at LV 21 for anyone who also put max ranks into spellcraft with one of these items (or is just a Wiz min/maxed for Int with max spellcraft). The XP cost is also only 16,560 - so it's more like 3/4 of a LV at LV 21.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Actually, the minimum cost in XP to create an epic (non-scroll) magic items is in the 12,000+ range, which is plausible for LV 21 or so. I actually have more problems with the GP costs than the XP costs, at least until you hit the multi-million GP items.</p><p></p><p>On the other hand, look at the cost of a +6 weapon (720,000). Now look at the number of creatures CR 21 or less that require epic weapons to pierce their DR. Finally, note how long it will be before your PC can afford that +6 weapon (which also presumably replaces your old weapon that was +10 or so in total bonuses, and far better other than its ability to pierce Epic).</p><p></p><p>I should note that the Icy blast type abilities are only +6. I agree that they are still far too expensive (2,880,000 for a +6 Icy Blast weapon).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Zimbel16, post: 2960014, member: 41600"] [b]ELH problems[/b] Note that the SRD has been updated for 3.5. that dosen't mean, however, that most of the below issues are addressed. There actually are a few tricks you can use; for example, you could surround it with Prismatic walls, which are immune to Antimagic (once cast). Simuarly, you could lead one onto a weak structure, and atack the structure far below it (many times, to kill it though falling damage). Or you could keep collapsing the cave above it. But, yes, they are annoying. Note that if you're using the 3.5 update, their DR no longer makes them nearly immune to non-magical (for all practical purposes artifact) weapons. I typically take a mean; for example if there are 100 attacks with a 35% chance of hitting, then I declare 35 hits. By the item creation formulas, it appears that you can get a +30 to spellcraft item for a measly 90,000 GP (or 45,000 GP, 3,600 XP). With a DC of 46, Epic Mage Armor should be pretty easy at LV 21 for anyone who also put max ranks into spellcraft with one of these items (or is just a Wiz min/maxed for Int with max spellcraft). The XP cost is also only 16,560 - so it's more like 3/4 of a LV at LV 21. Actually, the minimum cost in XP to create an epic (non-scroll) magic items is in the 12,000+ range, which is plausible for LV 21 or so. I actually have more problems with the GP costs than the XP costs, at least until you hit the multi-million GP items. On the other hand, look at the cost of a +6 weapon (720,000). Now look at the number of creatures CR 21 or less that require epic weapons to pierce their DR. Finally, note how long it will be before your PC can afford that +6 weapon (which also presumably replaces your old weapon that was +10 or so in total bonuses, and far better other than its ability to pierce Epic). I should note that the Icy blast type abilities are only +6. I agree that they are still far too expensive (2,880,000 for a +6 Icy Blast weapon). [/QUOTE]
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