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<blockquote data-quote="StreamOfTheSky" data-source="post: 5412499" data-attributes="member: 35909">Warblade with greatsword and 18 str: 2d6 +6 damage.&nbsp; And +4 better to hit, from BAB and TWF penalty alone.&nbsp; More possibly when you factor in ability bonus to the attack roll.&nbsp; Theoretical rogue is flanking, but Tumble's a class skill for Warblades, too, no reason they couldn't if rogue could.&nbsp; Translate that +4 into +8 damage via Power Attack.&nbsp; Warblade's already doing the equivalent of 4d6 damage per swing, before maneuvers.&nbsp; And from BAB +6, gets two attacks per round, so that's up to 8d6 per round, no class features even factoring in yet.&nbsp; And yes, I'm aware the 2nd attack has little chance of hitting, but you were listing potential damage.&nbsp; Maneuvers add to this significantly.&nbsp; Punishing Stance would as well, if being used.&nbsp; Warblade has better saves, MUCH better health, better armor, White Raven Tactics (it counts as its own class feature <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue&nbsp; &nbsp; :p"&nbsp; data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />)...&nbsp; Rogue gets ~3 more skill points/level (int is more useful to a Warblade, he'll probably have his ~2 points higher) and a nicer list and is generally more useful for out of combat interactions.&nbsp; But in combat, it's no contest, not even close.&nbsp; Especially since 1/3 of the monsters in the book aren't immune to power attack and maneuvers.EDIT: My bad, 14 is the average of FOURd6, not 2d6, I was actually underselling the warblade's pre-maneuver slaughter potential.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="StreamOfTheSky, post: 5412499, member: 35909"] Warblade with greatsword and 18 str: 2d6 +6 damage. And +4 better to hit, from BAB and TWF penalty alone. More possibly when you factor in ability bonus to the attack roll. Theoretical rogue is flanking, but Tumble's a class skill for Warblades, too, no reason they couldn't if rogue could. Translate that +4 into +8 damage via Power Attack. Warblade's already doing the equivalent of 4d6 damage per swing, before maneuvers. And from BAB +6, gets two attacks per round, so that's up to 8d6 per round, no class features even factoring in yet. And yes, I'm aware the 2nd attack has little chance of hitting, but you were listing potential damage. Maneuvers add to this significantly. Punishing Stance would as well, if being used. Warblade has better saves, MUCH better health, better armor, White Raven Tactics (it counts as its own class feature :p)... Rogue gets ~3 more skill points/level (int is more useful to a Warblade, he'll probably have his ~2 points higher) and a nicer list and is generally more useful for out of combat interactions. But in combat, it's no contest, not even close. Especially since 1/3 of the monsters in the book aren't immune to power attack and maneuvers. EDIT: My bad, 14 is the average of FOURd6, not 2d6, I was actually underselling the warblade's pre-maneuver slaughter potential. [/QUOTE]

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