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<blockquote data-quote="Palskane" data-source="post: 2711261" data-attributes="member: 2000"><p>Ok, well... I guess the initial issue has been resolved, with a bit of DM intervention. Here is how the conversation progressed:</p><p>-----</p><p></p><p>"Master and Mistress are two terms which meene exactly the same thing, it is simply that one is male and one is female. Nor would Silifrey, or I, think it disrespectful for her to be refered to in the female tense. In fact, if you care to argue the point, there is more implied sexism in using the male title.</p><p></p><p>Applying the male title as a compliment to a woman implies that one of two things (or both) are held true by the individual giving the compliment: 1) There is something inherintly masculin about the actions or position in question (in this case, warrior and holy knight), and therefor a woman capable of performing this function to a degre of competance adequate to be praise-worthy must necesarilly by un-feminine in some way, or at least posses masculine traits, or 2) The position is socially accpeted as masculin to the point where it is proper to apply masculin titles even to women. Neither Silifrey nor I would agree with either proposition. Silifrey sees no contradiction in being a Swordmistress rather then a sword-master, and is quite pleased to retain her femininity despite being a holy warrior (this is perticulalry so as she is a Paladin of Sune, goddess of love and beauty). Even if the second argument WERE true, and it were traditioanl to refer to female swordmasters with teh male title due to social convention, Silifrey, being very much aware of her won femininity, would most likely continue to prefer to th female title as a point of pride.</p><p></p><p>There are some titles in which it is not appropriate to use either master OR mistress to refer to an accomplished female practictioner, but there is ussually some other fassion of delineating the person's gender. In the real world, for example, woman chess players do not become GrandMasters, but neither do they become GrandMistresses, they become "Woman-GrandMasters". In the forgotten realms female regents are sometimes refered to as Lady-Lord, rather then Lady or Lord. However, the unoficial and complimentary title of Sword-Master or Sword-Mistress does not strike me as one of these things."</p><p></p><p>Just before this response I had told her that I simply meant "sword master=master of the sword".</p><p></p><p>After this response by her, the DM said this:</p><p>-----</p><p></p><p>Well breaking in here to settle the disbute and have a chance to beat both of you to a pulp with a book. In the dungeon master's guide a seem to recall a certain little paragrah or two. It states the whole conversion. So basically Silifrey wins the joust. But on the other hand Blackrin you shall not change your compliment, and it would be prefered if you role played it out. Thus getting the group dynamic a twist. So now I don't want to hear another word about it. </p><p>-----</p><p></p><p>I guess that is that, but this has just left a bad taste in my mouth. Should I just forget it and move on, or drop from this group?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Palskane, post: 2711261, member: 2000"] Ok, well... I guess the initial issue has been resolved, with a bit of DM intervention. Here is how the conversation progressed: ----- "Master and Mistress are two terms which meene exactly the same thing, it is simply that one is male and one is female. Nor would Silifrey, or I, think it disrespectful for her to be refered to in the female tense. In fact, if you care to argue the point, there is more implied sexism in using the male title. Applying the male title as a compliment to a woman implies that one of two things (or both) are held true by the individual giving the compliment: 1) There is something inherintly masculin about the actions or position in question (in this case, warrior and holy knight), and therefor a woman capable of performing this function to a degre of competance adequate to be praise-worthy must necesarilly by un-feminine in some way, or at least posses masculine traits, or 2) The position is socially accpeted as masculin to the point where it is proper to apply masculin titles even to women. Neither Silifrey nor I would agree with either proposition. Silifrey sees no contradiction in being a Swordmistress rather then a sword-master, and is quite pleased to retain her femininity despite being a holy warrior (this is perticulalry so as she is a Paladin of Sune, goddess of love and beauty). Even if the second argument WERE true, and it were traditioanl to refer to female swordmasters with teh male title due to social convention, Silifrey, being very much aware of her won femininity, would most likely continue to prefer to th female title as a point of pride. There are some titles in which it is not appropriate to use either master OR mistress to refer to an accomplished female practictioner, but there is ussually some other fassion of delineating the person's gender. In the real world, for example, woman chess players do not become GrandMasters, but neither do they become GrandMistresses, they become "Woman-GrandMasters". In the forgotten realms female regents are sometimes refered to as Lady-Lord, rather then Lady or Lord. However, the unoficial and complimentary title of Sword-Master or Sword-Mistress does not strike me as one of these things." Just before this response I had told her that I simply meant "sword master=master of the sword". After this response by her, the DM said this: ----- Well breaking in here to settle the disbute and have a chance to beat both of you to a pulp with a book. In the dungeon master's guide a seem to recall a certain little paragrah or two. It states the whole conversion. So basically Silifrey wins the joust. But on the other hand Blackrin you shall not change your compliment, and it would be prefered if you role played it out. Thus getting the group dynamic a twist. So now I don't want to hear another word about it. ----- I guess that is that, but this has just left a bad taste in my mouth. Should I just forget it and move on, or drop from this group? [/QUOTE]
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