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<blockquote data-quote="Velmont" data-source="post: 3312125" data-attributes="member: 13739">I disagree, Jerrell can have a nice AC, even if not optimize. Let's compare a possible Jerell at level 4 with a typical meatshield from a typical game...[CODE]&nbsp; &nbsp; Meatshield&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; JerrellClass&nbsp; &nbsp; Figther&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; SwashbucklerLevel&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 4Str&nbsp; &nbsp; 16&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 16Dex&nbsp; &nbsp; 13&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 18Con&nbsp; &nbsp; 16&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 16Feat&nbsp; &nbsp; Exotic (Bastard)&nbsp; &nbsp; Weapon Finesse&nbsp; &nbsp; Weap. Focus (Bastard)&nbsp; &nbsp; Two-Weapon Figthing&nbsp; &nbsp; Wep. Spec. (Bastard)&nbsp; &nbsp; Improved Unarmed Combat&nbsp; &nbsp; Power Attack&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Improved Shield Bash&nbsp; &nbsp; Cleave&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Shield Specialization (+1 shield bonus to AC)&nbsp; &nbsp; Improved Sunder&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Agile Shield Bash&nbsp; &nbsp; Improved Cleave&nbsp; &nbsp; Dodge&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Equipement&nbsp; &nbsp; Heavy Shield&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Spiked Heavy Shield&nbsp; &nbsp; Full Plate Armor&nbsp; &nbsp; Chain Shirt&nbsp; &nbsp; Bastard Sword&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; RapierAC:&nbsp; &nbsp; 21 (22 vs 1 opponent)&nbsp; &nbsp; 21Touch:&nbsp; &nbsp; 11 (12 vs 1 opponent)&nbsp; &nbsp; 14Flat:&nbsp; &nbsp; 20&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 17Full Attack:Bastard: +8, 1d10+5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Rapier: +8 1d6+6 (or 1d6+3 vs people immune to critical)&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Possible cleave&nbsp; &nbsp; Shield bash: +8 1d6+6 (or 1d6+3 vs people immune to critical)[/CODE]In this possibility, I assume that Agile Shield Bash and Two-Weapon Figthing would stack to allow to attack at +0/+0. Jerell is a bit behind the meatshield, but not very far. The figther have more option at hand, but Jerell have more mobility. I've been thinking about Agile Shield Bash, and I was thinking to compare it to Ambidexterity:Two-weapon figthing only+ Allow two-weapon figthing at -2/-2 with light weapons+ Allow two-weapon figthing at -4/-4 with heavy weapons Ambidexterity:+ Allow two-weapon figthing at +0/+0 with light weapons+ Allow two-weapon figthing at -2/-2 with heavy weapons - Must be taken at 1st levelAgile Shield Bash+ Allow two-weapon figthing at +0/+0 with light shield+ Allow two-weapon figthing at +0/+0 with heavy shield- Apply only to shields, not to weapons.As a spiked heavy shield is still worst in offence than most light weapon (same damage but worst critical), I think it balance quite good, but that would be to Erekose to determine.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Velmont, post: 3312125, member: 13739"] I disagree, Jerrell can have a nice AC, even if not optimize. Let's compare a possible Jerell at level 4 with a typical meatshield from a typical game... [CODE] Meatshield Jerrell Class Figther Swashbuckler Level 4 4 Str 16 16 Dex 13 18 Con 16 16 Feat Exotic (Bastard) Weapon Finesse Weap. Focus (Bastard) Two-Weapon Figthing Wep. Spec. (Bastard) Improved Unarmed Combat Power Attack Improved Shield Bash Cleave Shield Specialization (+1 shield bonus to AC) Improved Sunder Agile Shield Bash Improved Cleave Dodge Equipement Heavy Shield Spiked Heavy Shield Full Plate Armor Chain Shirt Bastard Sword Rapier AC: 21 (22 vs 1 opponent) 21 Touch: 11 (12 vs 1 opponent) 14 Flat: 20 17 Full Attack: Bastard: +8, 1d10+5 Rapier: +8 1d6+6 (or 1d6+3 vs people immune to critical) Possible cleave Shield bash: +8 1d6+6 (or 1d6+3 vs people immune to critical) [/CODE] In this possibility, I assume that Agile Shield Bash and Two-Weapon Figthing would stack to allow to attack at +0/+0. Jerell is a bit behind the meatshield, but not very far. The figther have more option at hand, but Jerell have more mobility. I've been thinking about Agile Shield Bash, and I was thinking to compare it to Ambidexterity: Two-weapon figthing only + Allow two-weapon figthing at -2/-2 with light weapons + Allow two-weapon figthing at -4/-4 with heavy weapons Ambidexterity: + Allow two-weapon figthing at +0/+0 with light weapons + Allow two-weapon figthing at -2/-2 with heavy weapons - Must be taken at 1st level Agile Shield Bash + Allow two-weapon figthing at +0/+0 with light shield + Allow two-weapon figthing at +0/+0 with heavy shield - Apply only to shields, not to weapons. As a spiked heavy shield is still worst in offence than most light weapon (same damage but worst critical), I think it balance quite good, but that would be to Erekose to determine. [/QUOTE]

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